Volume 10 Number 3
                       Produced: Wed Nov 17 17:38:21 1993

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Geneology Programs (2)
         [Hillel N. Cooperman, Smadar Kedar]
Hechshers (2)
         [Andy Goldfinger, Charles Arian]
Hong Kong (3)
         [Jonathan Goldstein, Meir Loewenberg, Aliza Berger]
If I forget thee O Jerusalem
         [Philip Trauring]
Info on Colorado Springs
         [Yisroel Engel]
         [Debbie Millen]
Kosher in London, Ontario
         [Joseph Greenberg]
Pasuk for Name at end of Prayer
         [Goldberg Moshe]
Puerto Rico
         [Danny Geretz]
Visit to Vienna
         [Rena Whiteson]
When does Shabbos start in...?
         [Marc Meisler]
Why M&M's became kosher.
         [Michael Lipkin]


From: <hillel@...> (Hillel N. Cooperman)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 15:06:54 -0500
Subject: Geneology Programs

Are there any shareware/commercial programs available for the Macintosh? I
would be interested to know about them.

Hillel Cooperman
Software Developer
Natural Intelligence, Inc.

From: <kedar@...> (Smadar Kedar)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 93 13:35:53 -0500
Subject: Geneology Programs

Can anyone recommend geneology or `family tree' programs that can be run
on a MAC?  If they are specific to Jewish geneology, what are some of
their uniquely jewish features?  Also, if you know of the cost and how
to order the program, that would help.  Also, is there a jewish
geneological organization and/or internet group?


Smadar Kedar    	       	       	       	(708)-467-1017  (office)
Institute for the Learning Sciences     (708)-491-3500  (main number) 
Northwestern University 	       	       	(708)-491-5258  (FAX)
1890 Maple Ave.   	       	        	email:  <kedar@...>


From: Andy Goldfinger <andy_goldfinger@...>
Date: 12 Nov 1993 08:26:47 U
Subject: Hechshers

The Baltimore Eruv organization publishes an annual information book
called the "Eruv List."  Although it is primarily a phone book of the
Baltimore Orthdox community, it also contains many pages of
supplementary information.  The current edition contains several pages
showing the symbols associated with various hechshers (such as the O-U
or Star-K).  According to my count, there are ninety (90) symbols on
the list!!!  For each, the Eruv List gives an identification of the
organization or Rabbi involved and an address.  It does not take any
position on which are reliable and which are not.

From: Charles Arian <CARIAN@...>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 93 09:36:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Hechshers

The O-U, O-K, Kof-K and Star-K are considered in the industry as the Big
Four. The Big Four practice mutual recognition; if I want to start a
factory under the supervision of one of them, I am permitted to use
ingredients certified by any of the others.

In practice this means that one must hold by all of the four or none of
the four, because of the supervision of the intermediate ingredients.

Charles Arian


From: <Jonathan.Goldstein@...> (Jonathan Goldstein)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 00:23:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Hong Kong

In Volume 9 Number 92 Ronald Greenberg <rig@...> writes:

[with reference to Hong Kong:]
>  As for a place to stay, I'm still working on that for myself for
> mid-December, but I do have the name of one hotel in the Hilton area
> that is supposed to be more reasonably priced: Garden View.

Try the Wesley, which is a 10-minute walk from the Hilton. Not as swish
as the Hilton, but very clean, comfortable, and nice staff.

If you book through the Hong Kong Tourist Commission (either before
getting to HK, or *before* leaving transit at the airport), you should
get a room for around US$40-50 a night.

I remember meeting someone who got a better deal from some agent in the

An alternative is to call R. Avzton who runs Chabad in HK and try to
arrange somewhere to stay. Here's his number: +852 1 523 9770

Jonathan Goldstein       <Jonathan.Goldstein@...>       +61 2 339 3683

From: <F46022@...> (Meir Loewenberg)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 15:07 O
Subject: Hong Kong

In response to a recent inquiry about Jewish facilities in Hong Kong, I
can share the following on the basis of our visit there in May 1993:
 Restaurants: (1) Jewish Club, 33 Queens Road Central (4th floor),
telephone 801-5440; (2) Shalom Grill, 61 Connought Rd Central (2nd
floor), telephone 851-6281.  We ate only in #1 since #2 was not open
during the hours we were hungry.
 Minyanim: (1) Ohel Leah Synagogue, 70Robinson Road (the local
synagogue, some distance from the hotel area); (2) Chabad minyan, Hilton
Hotel (4th floor), weekdays 7:15 am, Shabbat 8 a.m.; (3) Kehilat Shuva
Israel - weekdays at restaurant # 2, 7:15 am; Shabbat at 16-18
Macdonnell Road Central (apt 1B): 8 a.m.  Weekday mincha minyanim at
both restaurants.
 Convenient hotel to minyanim 2 and 3: Garden View International House,
1 Macdonnell Road Central, telephone 877-3737, fax 852-845-6263. This is
a first-class YWCA hotel, 1 minute from Shabbat minyan # 3 and 10
minutes walk from Hilton at half the Hilton prices.

From: <A_BERGER@...> (Aliza Berger)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 16:03:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Hong Kong

I just read something about a new escalator in Hong Kong that is on a
big hill going from the business to the residential district, which
rabbis have ruled is o.k. to use on Shabbat.  (This was not in a
halakhic source, however.)

Aliza Berger


From: Philip Trauring <philip@...>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 00:23:33 -0500
Subject: If I forget thee O Jerusalem

I'd like to find out where the line 'If I forget thee O Jerusalem...' comes
from in Tanach. I tthink it's in Tehilim but I can't figure out where...Any
help would be appreciated...thanks...

	Philip Trauring


From: <yengel@...> (Yisroel Engel)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 00:23:30 -0500
Subject: re: Info on Colorado Springs

I have the info requested (names,Minyan etc.). I tried mailing back
but had difficulty. Shalom. Yisroel Engel
<yengel@...>  ph. (303)329-0213   fax (303)329-0212


From: <debbie@...> (Debbie Millen)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 93 09:43 EST
Subject: KOA

I don't know if this discussion was brought to an end or not, but Rabbi
Isaacson of KOA lives across the street from me and said that he would
be happy to answer any questions-

Rabbi Shloime Isaacson
72 Ascension Street
Passaic, NJ 07055


From: Joseph Greenberg <72600.225@...>
Date: 15 Nov 93 13:35:36 EST
Subject: Kosher in London, Ontario

Can anybody provide info regarding any kosher lunchtime facilities in or
around London, Ontario (Canada), or (much less likely) Sarnia, also in
Ontario? And please don't tell me to drive to Toronto, it is a day-long
business trip.


From: <vamosh@...> (Goldberg Moshe)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 19:27:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Pasuk for Name at end of Prayer

>> If someone has Tanach on computer I'd like to know if "Da lifnei Mi ata
>> omeD" is in Tanach.  The reason is that it begins and ends with a daleth
>> as my name (DaviD) By the way I'd welcome some commentary about the
>> custom of saying such a verse at the end of shmonei esre.

"Siddur Hashalem" published by Eshkol in Jerusalem has a list of verses
to be said, with the following comments (my translation):

It is written in the holy 'Shl"a' as a segula [?] that one's name should
not be forgotten on Judgement Day, that one should say each day of his
life at the end of shmone esrei a passage that starts with the same
letter as his name.  That is, the name by which he is called up to the
Torah.  For example, one who is called Itzik but is called up by the
name Yitzhak should have a passage starting with Yod and ending with
Kof, and similarly with other names.  In any case, if the name itself
appears in the passage (such as the passages for Shalom, Reuven, or Dan)
the last letter does not have to correspond to his name.

The verse given for the name David is Psalms 105:4, Dirshu hashem v'uzo
bakshu panav tamid [search for G-d and his strength, always look for His

      Moshe Goldberg


From: imsasby!<dgeretz@...> (Danny Geretz)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 05:01:27 -0500
Subject: Puerto Rico

A friend will be vacationing in Puerto Rico in early December and has
asked about Jewish amenities there.  Please e-mail info to me at:

  imsasby!<dgeretz@...> -or- dgeretz@ka2qhd.ocpt.ccur.com

and I will forward the info.  I will also, bli neder, summarize info
received for the m-j readership.

Thank you,

Daniel Geretz


From: <rena@...> (Rena Whiteson)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 14:21:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Visit to Vienna

I will probably be travelling alone to Vienna in December or January for
at least a week on business.  I am not happy to be entering this German
language hotbed of anti-semitism.

Can anyone give me some advice, suggestions, reassurances.

Also, though I don't expect to have much free time, are there important
places, monuments, shuls etc that one can visit?

Rena Whiteson


From: Marc Meisler <mmeisler@...>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 22:08:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: When does Shabbos start in...?

There have been several postings recently asking when Shabbos starts in
different cities on different dates.  This information can be found out
by dialing 1-800-SABBATH.  I think this is run by Lubovitch and is
advertised on the front page of the New York Times every Friday in small
print at the bottom of the page.  If you know the zip code of the place
you will be and the date you will be there, it will give you the time
for candle lighting.
 My assumption is this only works within the US.  For places abroad,
other methods (such as Mail.Jewish) will have to suffice.

Marc Meisler


From: Michael Lipkin <laster@...>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 00:23:42 -0500
Subject: Re:  Why M&M's became kosher.

Since everyone is putting a couple of cents in on this one I figured I'd
throw into the arena my rumor.  I heard from a friend, who heard from
her brother, who is a rabbi that works at the OU (now is that
unimpeachable or what) that M&M's became kosher because Entenman's
wanted to use them in some recipes.

By the way, I heard from another "reliable" source that, now sit down
for this one, Oreos are next!

Michael Lipkin


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