Volume 10 Number 14
                       Produced: Mon Nov 22 16:10:31 1993

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

"Peace" Agreements
         [Goldberg Moshe]
Belzer Rebbe
         [Marc Shapiro]
Circumcision and Evolution
         [Frank Silbermann]
Computer Jobs in Israel - November 93 Update
         [Jacob Richman]
Healing a Non-Jew on Shabbat
         [Najman Kahana]
Looking for correct number/address of publisher
         [Paul Nailand]
Lubavitcher rebbe and Russia
         [Marc Shapiro]
OU and Bishul Akum
         [Michael Broyde]
Psukim for Names
         [Michael P. Kramer]
Things 31 (2)
         [Naomi G. Cohen, Yosi Fishkin]


From: <vamosh@...> (Goldberg Moshe)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 93 07:01:44 -0500
Subject: Re: "Peace" Agreements

I am not sure that m-j is the right place to start getting into the
political aspects of whether the agreements are "peace" or "surrender,"
although I am very much afraid it is the latter, at least in the eyes of
the Arabs.  So, I did not want to get into the thread developing here.
But the following was too much for me to leave unanswered:

>>                                Volume 9 Number 98
>> From: Morris Podolak <morris@...>

>> 3. Additional issues with regard to Gaza:
>> The other day I saw a rabbinic meeting on the news
>> where the majority opinion seemed to be not to give up any part of
>> Israel.  I know many of the people present at that meeting, and honor
>> and respect their knowledge and character.  Still, I couldn't help
>> wondering how many of them had sons in the army.  
>>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

To me this implies that those who called and joined the meeting last
week are somehow not full participants in the life in Israel and its
defense. I cannot speak of most of the Israeli and American rabbis who
were there, but let it be clearly noted that the moderator, Rav Haim
Drukman, arrived at the meeting last Thursday after he was shot in a
terrorist attack near Hevron the Sunday before, where his driver (a
student for many years) was killed. Rav Drukman is head of Yeshivat Or
Etzion, was himself in the army, sends all of his students to the army
as part of the Mitzvah of Yishuv Haaretz [living in the land of Israel],
lehatchila [as a primary command] and not bedi-eved [after the fact]. I
know this for a fact, I have two sons and a son-in-law who study/studied
in Or Etzion and I have heard it from Rav Drukman myself.

I think we should be wary of writing or saying things that cast an
aspersion on a group of people and their connection with Israel.

    Moshe Goldberg     <vamosh@...>


From: Marc Shapiro <mshapiro@...>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 19:43:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Belzer Rebbe

In answer to questions, I would recommend for everyone to ried Piekarz'
book on Hasidut Polin and you will find the story of how the Belzer rebbe
escaped Hungary, after he had told everyone else that the Nazi's would
never reach there. The SAtmar rebbe was rescued by Kasztner, a Zionist.
These are the facts which I mistakenly believed were well known.
						Marc Shapiro


From: Frank Silbermann <fs@...>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 10:37:40 -0500
Subject:  Circumcision and Evolution

In criticism of the theory of evolution, some have cited as refutation
the experiment in which several generations of mice tails were cut off,
yet no young were ever born without tails.  (Michael Allen pointed out
tht the experiment need not have been done -- our experience with
circumcision show the same result).

But would someone please explain to me what any of ths hs to do with
any theory of evolution or natural selection?

	Frank Silbermann	<fs@...>
	Tulane University	New Orleans, Louisiana  USA


From: Jacob Richman <jrichman@...>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 22:31:42 -0500
Subject: Computer Jobs in Israel - November 93 Update


The new November 1993 CJI Listing has 401 companies with job offers.
Below is a description of CJI and how to subscribe.

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This list will also send you other special documents / announcements
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To subscribe send mail to <listserv@...> with the text:

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Good luck in your job search,

Jacob Richman (<jrichman@...>)
CJI List Owner


From: Najman Kahana <NAJMAN%<HADASSAH@...>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:11 JST
Subject: Healing a Non-Jew on Shabbat

>>Regarding healing a Non-Jew, Aiva is a potent argument on Shabbat and is
>>strongly maintained by Rav Dr Moshe David Tendler.
>I remain puzzled by this halacha.  Could someone attempt to explain it
>to me?  Are we afraid that if the Jewish doctor doesn't treat a non-Jew
>then a non-Jewish doctor won't treat a Jew, e.g. is Aiva a subset of
>Pikuach Nefesh?

I am a volunteer ambulance driver in Yeshuv Elazar, Gush Etzion.
Most of our work involves car accidents, at a rate of 7-10 a week !!
In many of these accidents, the time element may decide life or death,
at times measured in minutes.
We treat ALL individuals without regard to their religion, and, since this is
known, Arabs reciprocate by inmediately calling in any accident which they see
and, like any civilian, try to assist in any way they can.
The decision for going out on Shabbat was given as a Psak by the different
Rabbanim of the Gush.

PS: If you are looking for more questions, you may address the issue of an
ambulance and crew returning home AFTER there is no longer an emergency.

Najman Kahana


From: Paul Nailand <047NAIL@...>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 08:22:10 -0500
Subject: Looking for correct number/address of publisher

I am trying to locate the publisher of "Sefer Mikoash Me'at" for some-one
who would like to quote a small portion of the book. The following are the
supposedly known publishers of the sefer but they do not respond
telephonically or in writing. (Threy may have moved.)

1) "Sefer Mikoash Me'at - On the sanctity of the synagogue"
    Translated by S. Ludmir, World Society for the Sanctity of the
    Ssynagogue and Answering "Amen"

    1274-49th Street, Suite 11, Brooklyn, N.Y. 11219
    Tel:  718 - 436 - 1180

2) Project Shul, from Chevra M'zakei Harabim Haolamis
   Tel: 718 - 265 - 5366 Brooklyn, N.Y.
        201 - 901 -8944 Lakewood, N.J.

Any assistance in tracing these or other publishers of this sefer is
greatly appreciated.

Many thanks
Paul Nailand


From: Marc Shapiro <mshapiro@...>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 19:43:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Lubavitcher rebbe and Russia

This is the last time I will respond re. the Lubavitcher rebbe and Russia.
If you examine Fishman's article you will find that he believed that the
Russian government was not anti-religion, only the Jewish communists. He
said this after he left Russia in closed meetings, as well as in private
letters. Since these were confidential letters they obviously represented
his true belief. Based upon this view he advocated poilicies which, in
retrospect, were clearly mistaken.
					Marc Shapiro


From: Michael Broyde <RELMB@...>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 93 22:31:47 -0500
Subject: OU and Bishul Akum

One of the commentators remarked that those who are strict on "pas
bishul and chalav yisrael" do not rely completely on the OU.  To the
best of my knowledge, that statement is only correct as applies to pas
and chalav and not as to bishil.  While the OU has one or two heterim
applicable to bishul akum, these liberalities are generally accepted in
even the chasidic world, to the best of my knowledge.  It is only
sefardim who have difficulty with those liberalities, as mechaber is
considerably stricter than rama in the area of bishul akum.  While some
(including this writer) accept the validy of certain kulot concerning
pas and chalav yisrael which greatly reduce its application in America,
such is not the case concerning bishul akum.


From: Michael P. Kramer
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 12:39:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Psukim for Names

Besdies the Siddur Hashalem, there's a book called "Psok Li Shimkha" which
is a compendium of Hebrew names--Biblical, traditional, and modern--with
corresponding Biblical verses.  Sorry, the book's at home, so I don't have
the compiler's name or the publishing info.

Michael P. Kramer                          WORDS TO LIVE BY:    
Department of English                      "Ben Heh Heh omer:   
University of California, Davis            Lefum tzaara agra."  
Davis, CA 95616                                   --Avot 5:27 


From: Naomi G. Cohen <RVOLF01@...>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 93 22:46:04 IST
Subject: Re: Things 31

It is of course obvious that the number 31 is `gematria' for the
word LO = `no' (lamed + aleph).


From: <j.fishkin2@...> (Yosi Fishkin)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 93 02:00:50 -0500
Subject: Things 31

Adam Freedman asked for references to the number 31 in Tanach and the
Talmud. The number is found in:
 Rashi on Numbers 14:16 and Deuteronomy 33:17
 Joshua 12:24
 Talmud Bavli: Berachot 32a, Rosh Hashana 20a, Ketubot 66a, Sanhedrin 111a,
Erchin 27b, and numerous times throughout Massechet Nazir (including 5b and

        Yosi Fishkin


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