Volume 10 Number 26
                       Produced: Fri Nov 26 11:43:06 1993

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Captive City
         [Anthony Fiorino]
Columbus Ohio and Ecuador
         [David Kaufmann ]
Ear piercings
         [Heather Luntz]
Kastner trial
         [Najman Kahana]
Martyrdom vs. _Living_ by Halacha
         [Meir Laker]
         [Alan Mizrahi]
         [Meir Laker]
RFI--Raleigh/Research Triangle Park, NC
         [Steven Schwartz]
Source of Phrase from the Dreidal
         [David Charlap]
Tzedaka Organizations - Update
         [Michael Gitt]


From: Anthony Fiorino <fiorino@...>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 17:24:08 -0500
Subject: Captive City

Isn't there a din that if a city is under seige, and the demand is made
for a single Jew or all will be killed, that the entire city should allow
themselves to be killed?  And am I correct that if the demand is made for
a specific Jew, by name, then that person may be turned over to spare the
rest of the city?  (The crucial distinction between the cases being
who is making the determination of who is to be killed).

And if the choice is between 2 specific names?

Eitan Fiorino


From: David Kaufmann  <david@...>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 19:40:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Columbus Ohio and Ecuador

On Columbus Ohio, contact
Rabbi Capland
Chabad House of Tradition
207 E. 15th Ave
Columbus OH 43201

On Ecuador, you might try
Rabbi Rosenfeld
Casa Lubavitch
Call 94 # 11-47
57-1-236 3114
Fax: 57-1-611-0384

(nearest I could find)
David Kaufmann INTERNET:	<david@...>


From: Heather Luntz <luntz@...>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 22:12:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ear piercings

The reason I was always told for permitting ears to be pierced is because
it is non permanent (ie if one doesn't keep the studs in the ear heals of
its own accord) and therefore is not really a mutilation of the body.

Of course the problem with being female and always learning halacha baal
pe (if you like), is that I have no sources to quote to back this up (or
even know whether such exist or whether somebody had merely heard this from
somebody etc etc). But such is the female lore on the subject.




From: Najman Kahana <NAJMAN%<HADASSAH@...>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 93 11:49 JST
Subject: Kastner trial

>     Segev's book also does not support the claim that the
>Kastner trial uncovered facts "used as the base of the Eichmann
>trial."  What are they supposed to have been?
>        David A. Guberman

	Most of my knowledge is based on my reading of the trial transcript,
which I read several (~15) years ago, and on a lecture plus open discussion
which was held in kibbutz Rosh Tzurim (Gush Etzion) by the defending lawyer,
Shmuel Tamir.
	To my sorrow, I have not read Segev's book. Therefore, I
cannot reply to his statements.  Also, I am unfamiliar with Segev,
therefore I cannot evaluate from which point of view he is presenting
this issue.
	The major witness in the Kastner trial was Brand.  From what
I remember (I am being careful) he was a close worker with with Kastner.
	Brand was sent to Israel to close the trucks-for-Jews deal
which involved both the British and the Jewish community.  Brand was
arrested and held incommunicado (by the British) until the deadline
expired.  In his testimony, Brand claimed that the arrest was instigated
by the Jewish Agency and named Moshe Sharett as the intermediary for
his arrest.
	Brand also claimed that Kastner was involved in the arrest of
Chana Shenesh (an Israeli agent sent by the British to Budapest).

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From: Meir Laker <meir@...>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 19:40:16 -0500
Subject: Martyrdom vs. _Living_ by Halacha

   Frank Silbermann <fs@...> writes:
   . . . we may take a lenient view of the Marranos, as Rashi did not
   consider Christianity to be idolatry.

Where is this Rashi?

Meir Laker


From: <amizrahi@...> (Alan Mizrahi)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 14:54:58 EST
Subject: Pronunciation

Malcolm Isaacs says in regard to pronunciation

> Perhaps ignorance and laziness gradually crept up, and the distinction was
> forgotten.

This is the case, not only with distinguishing between letters, but also with
the way words are accented.  In hebrew, the accent generally goes on the second
syllable of a word.  In english, the accent is usually on the first.  It is
awkward to switch the accenting of words, and therefore to speak hebrew when
one is used to speaking a language which accents differently takes 
concentration.  Laziness indeed crept up in this regard and the un-hebrew
sounding of words has been firmly established in most Ashkenazi communities.

-Alan Mizrahi


From: Meir Laker <meir@...>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 20:49:09 -0500
Subject: Revisionism

   From: <turkel@...> (Eli Turkel)

   Similarly, various commentaries of both rishonim and achronim to both
   the Torah and Mishna have been censored to remove comments that there
   were not "politically correct"

Do you have some examples?  What was censored, by whom, and for what
purpose; has it been restored?

Meir Laker


From: <schwartz@...> (Steven Schwartz)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 93 10:15:07 -0500
Subject: RFI--Raleigh/Research Triangle Park, NC

I will be in Raleigh NC next Thursday/Friday, and might stay over Shabbat.
Could someone tell me what synagogues, restaurants, etc. are in the area?
Please e-mail to <schwartz@...>  Thank you.


From: <dic5340@...> (David Charlap)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 12:20:13 -0500
Subject: Source of Phrase from the Dreidal

SCHILD%<GAIA@...> (Chaim Schild) writes:
>What is the origins of the new statements:

I don't think these phrases are particularly new.  Here
are the meanings of them:

>Nes Gadol Haya Sham (Dreidel letters)

This means "A great miracle happened there"

>Nes Gadol Haya Poh

"A great miracle happened here".  This one is only found on
Israeli dreidels.


From: <gitt@...> (Michael Gitt)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 21:41:37 -0500
Subject: Tzedaka Organizations - Update

  Shalom!  I am finally writing back with the results of the
"survey" of tzedaka organizations. To refresh your memories, I was
inundated by requests by tzedaka organizations, many of which
sounded worthy of support, but I had no information as to their
legitimacy.  Several of you responded to my posting, and although
I have not yet had the opportunity to thank you individually, I do
appreciate the messages.

 I am listing the organizations again, but omitting their addresses
and phone numbers.  I have placed asterisks next to those that were
recommended by respondents.  At the end the asterisked numbers are
listed, with initials of the person who wrote to me about them.

1.*  Yeshiva Telshe Alumni
2.*  Chmol
3.*  Mesivta Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin
4.*  Diskin Orphan Home of Israel
5.   United Charity Institutions of Jerusalem
6.*  Kolel America, the American Charity of Rabbi Meir Baal Haness
7.*   Educational Institute Oholei Torah, 667 Eastern Parkway
8.*   American Friends of Sanz Medical Center
9.   The Jewish Braille Institute of America, Inc.
10.  The S.H.A.M.I.R.  Institute for Russian)Jewish Learning    
11.*  Yeshiva Torah Vodaath & Mesivta
12.*  Rabbinical Seminary of America
13.  Givat David, Children Village
14.  American Friends of Tikvah Layeled, the foundation for      
     cerebral palsy children in Israel
15.  Beit David))Kiryat Gat
16.  Chevra Tzedoko Vochesed
17.  Yeshuos Yisroel
18.  Tikva Fund
19.*  Chai Lifeline/ Camp Simcha
20.  Girls Town Beit Chana Safed Israel
21.*  Od Yosef Chai
22.  General Israel Orphans Home for Girls
23.  Great Charity of Jerusalem, Inc. 'Chaye Olam'
24.  Childrens' Village of Jerusalem
25.*  Colel Chabad
26.*  Keren Hayeled
27.  Aleh Foundation, Rehabilitation Center for Special Children,
28.  National Jewish Center for Immunology and Respiratory       
29.  The Benjamin Foundation
30.  Zichron Shlomo, c/o the Almonah, Mrs. Leah K.
31.  Orphan Hospital Ward of Israel 
32.  The Israel Youth Village (formerly the Chabad Trade School),
33.  Jewish Institute for the Blind))Jerusalem
34.*  Bayit Lepletot Girls Town Jerusalem Girls Orphanage,       
35.*  Kolel Shomre Hachomos Reb Meir Baal Haness

1.  RS,SR,S,DC
2.  SR
3.  RS,SR,S,DC
4.  SR,DC
6.  SR,DC
7.  DK
8.  DC
11. RS,SR,S,DC
12. SR,S
19. SR,BB
21. SR,DC
25. DK
26. DC
34. DC
35. SR

14. YK
Ahavas Chesed-RK

Organizations that lack an asterisk may in fact be worthwhile; they just
have not been personally recommended by anyone who responded to my
original posting.  If anyone knows that any of the un-asterisked
organizations are legitimate, please write to me and I will update the

Thank you again.  Happy Chanukah!

Michael Gitt


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