Volume 11 Number 3
                       Produced: Tue Jan  4 22:24:10 1994

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Apartment in Jerusalem
         [Seth Ness]
         [Sam Safran]
Denver, Colorado
         [Michael Meiner]
Kosher and Shul in Colorado
         [Mony Weschler ]
Kosher in Montreal
         [Howie Pielet]
No Nechamah from Southern Comfort
         [Aryeh Frimer]
         [Henry Abramson]
Puerto Rico
         [Orin D. Golubtchik]
Southern Comfort (3)
         [Warren Burstein, Lon Eisenberg, Robert J. Tanenbaum]
Worcestershire Sauce
         [Warren Burstein]


From: Seth Ness <ness@...>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 93 18:55:18 -0500
Subject: Apartment in Jerusalem

 Friends of mine are looking for an apartment in jerusalem from around
march 3 to around may 15. They are a young orthodox couple with no kids
yet. The husband will be doing a medical rotation in haddassah.

Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham


From: <bpsafran@...> (Sam Safran)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 93 02:08:14 -0500
Subject: Australia


        I am planning a visit to Australia in February.  I will be
mostly in Canberra and Adelaide, but may be able to commute between them
via Sydney and thus spend a Shabbat there.  I have several practical
questions that perhaps some of you can help with:

1. How does one obtain the "list" of Kosher products for the country?
2. Are there Orthodox synagogues in either Canberra or Adelaide?
3. In Sydney, is there a hotel near an Orthodox synagogue?  Is there a
kosher           restaurant which takes guests on Shabbat (prepaid of

Many thanks.  You can respond to my email
(<bpsafran@...>) to avoid wasting bandwidth, if you like.

Sam Safran


From: Michael Meiner <mbm2@...>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 08:57:45 -0500
Subject: Denver, Colorado

I am going on a business trip to Denver, Colorado from Tues-Thurs, 
Jan 11-13. Does anyone have any info regarding Kosher foods, etc.?

Michael Meiner (<mbm2@...>)


From: Mony Weschler  <WESCHLE@...>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 15:11:18 -0500
Subject: Kosher and Shul in Colorado

Hi does anybody know of kosher places and places to stay over
Shabboes in Colorado.

Mony Weschler
Manager (System Adm, Programer Analyst) Radiology Information Systems.
Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center - 622 W 168st New York, NY 10032 USA.
tel: 212-305-8270   -   email: <weschle@...>


From: <pielet@...> (Howie Pielet)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 93 14:10:22 CST
Subject: Kosher in Montreal

El Morocco is a classy but not expensive kosher restaurant in downtown

Howie Pielet   Internet: <pielet@...>  (East Chicago, Indiana, USA)


From: Aryeh Frimer <F66235@...>
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 94 04:20:33 -0500
Subject: No Nechamah from Southern Comfort

The 1993 edition of "The Really Jewish Food Guide" published by the
London United Synagogues discusses Southern Comfort on Page 122. This is
what they say:
     Southern Comfort: NK (Not Kosher). Only the UK (United Kingdom)
version bottled in Ireland is Kosher. The Normal Label stating "Bottled
in the USA and Ireland" has been bottled in Ireland and is approved. The
USA version has no mention of Ireland on the label.
    Also listed as Not Kosher on that list is "Baileys Original Irish
Cream"; Benedictine; Bol's - apricot brandy, Peach Liquer; Camparri;
Cherry B - plain, Cream and White; DeKuyper - Advocat, Apricot Brandy, B
lue Curacao, Cherry Brandy, Creme de Cafe', Peach Brandy; Dubbonet;
Emmet's Irish cream; Garand Marnier; Pony; Rudolf Jelenik Slivovitz.
    I should note that the introduction makes it clear that the guide
was drawn up by the London bet Din. I would greatly appreciate if
someone in England could call up the "Kashrut Hotline" (071-383-2468)
and find out why Bailey's Irish Cream and Southern Comfort are deemed
not Kosher.


From: Henry Abramson <ABRAMSON@...>
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 94 13:32:54 -0500
Subject: Oklahoma!

My family and I are considering a possible move to Oklahoma.  Is there any
Yiddishkeit out there, particularly in Oklahoma city?  Please write


Henry Abramson


From: Orin D. Golubtchik <ogolubtc@...>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 93 13:28:52 EST
Subject: Puerto Rico

I have a friend who is hoping to go to Puerto Rico the second week of January
if anyone has any information about Kosher Food, Shuls, availability of a
mikveh etc. it would be greatly appreciated.
Please send responses directly to me at <ogolubtc@...> as soon
as possible
Thank you in advance


From: <warren@...> (Warren Burstein)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 93 21:38:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Southern Comfort

I recall that there was always a bottle of Southern Comfort at the
kiddush at the Old Broadway Synagogue in Manhattan, so perhaps who
someone reads this list goes there they could ask Rabbi Kret.

 |warren@      But the okra
/ nysernet.org is not paranoid at all.

From: eisenbrg%<milcse@...> (Lon Eisenberg)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 94 11:32:24 -0500
Subject: Southern Comfort

The following is only based on what I've heard:

Souther Comfort was unacceptable for a while because there was something
added to it derived from grapes.  I heard it is again acceptable (I saw
some in a hotel in Tiberias, as well).

From: <btanenb@...> (Robert J. Tanenbaum)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 11:51:25 EST
Subject: Re: Southern Comfort

I don't know about Southern Comfort, but I was in Lakewood for Shabbos
and I heard that the holy Chivas Regal was significantly adulterated
with wine (16%) !! What is the world coming to ? I blame it on the
Clinton administration.

Ezra Tanenbaum


From: <warren@...> (Warren Burstein)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 94 17:38:38 -0500
Subject: Worcestershire Sauce

I found this in "Torah Tidbits", a weekly publication of the OU's Israel
Center.  There was nothing about copyrights or rights reserved, and I
figure this might be of interest.

"The Worcestershire Sauce Story"

It's hard to pronounce, harder to spell.  It also poses an interesting
halachic question.  Worcestershire sauce contains anchovies, in other
words, one of its ingredients is fish.  Many people use Worcestershire
sauce in the preparation of meat and chicken dishes.  That's its main
use.  Is this permissible in light of the prohibition from Shulchan
Aruch of cooking meat and fish together?  And, if it is forbidden why
does the OU give a kashrut certification to it without proper warning on
the label?

At the Israel Center, we have received this question several times in
the recent past.  The following is the gist of the answer we received
from the Kashrut department at the OU's main office in New York.  It was
written up in "The Daf Hakashrus". a monthly newsletter for the OU
mashgiach (Tammuz/Av 5753) issue).

There are "latter authorities" (Achronim) who question whether the
prohibition of fish and meat is still in force.  Basically it is, but if
there other factors at issue, there is room to consider a lenient
opinion.  Such a factor is the minuteness of the fish ingredient in
Worcestershire sauce, which is less than one-sixtieth part and does not
impart its taste to the food it is cooked with.  Some authorities add
that in this kind of case, there isn't even the problem of "intentional

Consequently, the OU's policy is as follows: Products containing amounts
of fish which are NOT "nullified by 60 to 1" are designated "OU fish".
Where the amount of fish ingredient IS "bateil b'shishim", only the OU
symbol appears.

The kashrut bulletin adds that those consumers who choose the stricter
path and will not use Worcestershire sauce and the like with meat,
should read the ingredients of the specific product and act accordingly.

Specifically, there is one brand of Worcestershire sauce with an OU fish
designation (Lea & Perrins), and other sauces and salad dressing that
carry only the OU because of the minuteness of the fish component.

Bottom line: there is halachic basis to permit the use of Worcestershire
sauce with meat and poultry.  There is also the stricter side.

 |warren@      But the okra
/ nysernet.org is not concerned at all.


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