Volume 11 Number 12
                       Produced: Thu Jan  6 23:27:31 1994

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

10th of Teves correction
         [Ophir S Chernin]
10th tevet on friday - the rest of the calendar
         [Shlomo H. Pick]
Censorship and Revisionism
         [Jeff Woolf]
Eitz HaDaas and the Eruv Rav
         [Jack A. Abramoff]
Jan 19, Ohr Somayach
         [Neil Parks]
Plays for Jewish Days
         [Abraham Socher]
R. Tendler open letter to JO
         [Mechy Frankel]
Rav Goren's Psak on Refusal To Serve
         [Yisrael Medad]
Robitussin or Triaminic?
         [Joseph Greenberg]
Shabbat and Erev Pesach
         [Gary Fischer]
Shoah - Churban
         [Percy Mett]
Sunday Tisha B'Av
         [Lon Eisenberg]


From: Ophir S Chernin <osc4@...>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 08:51:00 -0500
Subject: 10th of Teves correction

Regarding my previous explanation of the Beis Yosef and the Abudraham:

While the underlying logic still stands, the reference of the Abudraham
was pointed out to me.  In Ezekeil (24:1-2) the reference of the Abudraham
can be found and better understood.  Here Ezekeil makes a clear reference
to the tenth day of the tenth month and its significance as the day of the
beginning of the seige of Jerusalem.  In verse 2, Ezekeil uses the phrase
"b'etzem ha yom hazeh" the phrase quoted and used by the Abudraham to show
that the 10th of Teves would be observed specifically on the 10th and not
pushed off, even if it were to fall on Shabbos.



From: Shlomo H. Pick <F12013@...>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 09:30:53 -0500
Subject: 10th tevet on friday - the rest of the calendar

MR. Rayman's comments are only correct in a year which is NOT a leap
year - such as this year (for a shmitta year cannot be a leap year).
However, the next time around, i believe, when 10th of tevet will
fall on a Friday, it WILL BE a leap year, and then all of Mr. Rayman's
caculations will fall down as the extra month ruins the cheshbon
As far as havdala this year at the end of tisha b'av, many posekim say
that wine should be used, as e.g. luach eretz yisrael by tikochynski,
many of my friends in eretz yisrael, usually mitnagdim will use wine
especially as it is very difficult to define "chamar medina"
(see sources in Pesahim 107a in the Bavli) today - especially in Eretz
shabbat shalom


From: Jeff Woolf <F12043@...>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 11:27:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Censorship and Revisionism

More on censorship: My good friend Shlomo Pick has rightly pointed that
censorship cuts across the lines. Moreover, his expose on the famous
letter of Reb Haim Ozer threw me for a loop (and destroyed a very good
lecture I give). However he DID miss a big example. At the end of
Hiddushei HaGriz HaLevi Al HaRambam are a series of letter From Reb
Velvel to various people. Members of the Rav's family have told me that
most of these were written to the Rav. However, out of discomfort at the
close relationship obtaining between the Rav and his uncle ALL names
were excised. I suspect the same deal is true of the Hazon Ish's
                                                               Jeff Woolf


From: Jack A. Abramoff <71544.2433@...>
Date: 06 Jan 94 16:58:12 EST
Subject: Eitz HaDaas and the Eruv Rav

I recently heard on a tape of a shiur that there is a Zohar which equates
the Eitz HaDaas (the Tree of Awareness of Good and Evil) with the Eruv Rav
(the mixed multitude which came out of Egypt with the Children of Israel).
Has anyone seen such a comparison, either in the Zohar or in other
medrashim?  Thanks for your assistance.

Jack Abramoff


From: <neil.parks@...> (Neil Parks)
Date: Thu,  6 Jan 94 01:05:00 -0500
Subject: Jan 19, Ohr Somayach

The Cleveland office of Ohr Somayach presents, "Breakfast &
Learn" and "Lunch & Learn" with Rabbi Nachman Bulman.

Wednesday, January 19, 1994

Eastside Continental Breakfast
"Justice, Righteousness, and Tzedakah"
7:30 am to 8:45 am
Mandel Jewish Community Center/Treuhaft Conference Center
26001 S. Woodland Road
Beachwood, Ohio

Breakfast and program:  $10 per person or $18 per couple

Downtown Luncheon
"Freedoms and Fear:  Jewish Perspectives"
12:15 to 1:30 pm
The City Club
850 Euclid Ave. (at East 9th St.)
Cleveland, Ohio

Lunch and program:  $15 per person or $28 per couple

RSVP by Jan 14 to Rabbi Steven Abrams at 216-591-1164

Ohr Somayach International
Cleveland Office
2595 Larchmont Drive
Beachwood, OH  44122


From: Abraham Socher <apsocher@...>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 12:27:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Plays for Jewish Days

In my opinion, they're not very good, but there is a book called "Jewish 
Plays for Jewish Days."  It has plays for each of the holidays.

Why not let the students write something themselves?

Shoshana Socher


From: <frankel@...> (Mechy Frankel)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 11:07:20 EST
Subject: R. Tendler open letter to JO

R. Aryeh Blaut (Vol 11 #8) requests mareh mikomot for R. Tendler's open letter
to the JO re their treatment of the Rav's petirah. The letter originally
appeared in R. Tendler's Monsey shul bulletin and that is the only reference I
have. By now, it is just possible that your local kiosks and bookstores have
already sold out their entire run of this highly popular journal. If you have
no other source, I would be happy to fax a copy to interested readers who
e-mail me their fax numbers (as long as the numbers don't get too

Mechy Frankel                            H: (301) 593-3949
<frankel@...>                      w: (703) 325-1277


From: MEDAD%<ILNCRD@...> (Yisrael Medad)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 94 04:12:41 -0500
Subject: Rav Goren's Psak on Refusal To Serve

Responding to Najman Kahane in V11 N1:

Priorities are always a problem: suppose you were told to eat treif in
the Army or suppose you were told to evacuate an Arab village?  What
comes first in the Jewish state of Israel, basic Jewish values or
universal, progressive, liberal, humanistic values *when*, of course,
there seems to be a very obvious conflict between them?  Yesterday
(Tuesday), the papers reported that a high police officer living on the
Golan Heights resigned his position rather than deal with operations
designed to remove the Jewish/Israel presence from off the Golan.
Earlier, a military court judge threatened to resign his commissioner if
the Army required him to release terrorists and criminals committing
violent mayhem in line with the new policy of "confidence building
measures" with the Arab population.

Some may be saying "but this is political".  Nevertheless, since Rav
Goren highlighted the issue as one of Halacha (Can Israel's government
order a soldier to act in contravention of the Halacha which commits a
Jew to live in Eretz-Yisrael?)  we have no choice but to relate to it
within the framework of a halachic discussion group.  And more to come.

Yisrael Medad


From: Joseph Greenberg <72600.225@...>
Date: 06 Jan 94 16:45:57 EST
Subject: Robitussin or Triaminic?

I just (last week) asked my LOR (he is active in our community's
kashrut "organization" - Detroit Merkaz) about Robitussin. He found
out that it contains glycerin. He suggested Triaminic as a
substitute, which does not contain anything nonkosher. Now if only he
could tell me about that strange pain......

[Gerald Sacks (<sacks@...>) also reported on the glycerin
problem with Robitussin. Mod.]


From: Gary Fischer <gfis@...>
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 09:32:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Shabbat and Erev Pesach

Lou Rayman points out that if Shabbat is Erev Pesach "... one must eat
very early, because one cannot eat any matzoh on ever pesach, and one 
cannot eat chametz after a certain time..."

It seems to me that it is more complicated than this.  Since you cannot
sell, burn, or otherwise dispose of chametz on Shabbat, it would seem
that one must divest himself or herself of chametz before Shabbat.
Since one may not eat matzoh on erev pesach, how does one have
Lechem Mishnah at all during the day's meals?

Gary Fischer

[As this question is likely to come up as we get toward Pesach this
year, would anyone like to try and summarize the article in the last
Journal of Halacha and Contemporary Society which discusses the issue,
as well as any other sources that may be relevant? Mod.]


From: <P.Mett@...> (Percy Mett)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 07:51:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Shoah - Churban

>From: David Ben-Chaim <DAVIDBC@...>
>you did not build, trees you did not plant..."). My generation has lived
>through the Shoah (Holocaust can be used also for Nuclear Holocaust, but
>Shoah is unfortunately uniquely ours!) and has been purefied by fire of

There is a lot in David's posting that needs remarking on, but what does he
mean when he says that "Shoah is ... ours"  ? To whom is he referring?
Shoah is a Modern Hebrew usage for the Churban of European Jewry. It
largely misses the point and is not "our" word as religious Jews.

Perets Mett


From: eisenbrg%<milcse@...> (Lon Eisenberg)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 94 09:30:46 -0500
Subject: Sunday Tisha B'Av

Danny Skaist writes:
<And unlike shabbat-pushed-off-till-Sunday, where havdala is made on 11th
<Av, Havdala is made on the 10th of Av, so no wine for havdalah.

IMHO, this is irrelevant for the issue of wine for havdalah.  Even when
the fast is held Sun. 10 Av., the rules of no meat or wine still apply till
the next morning.  There are those who have the custom of using wine for
havdalah even during the 9 days (or the night when the fast ends), since
havdalah is connected to Shabbath.


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