Volume 11 Number 73
                       Produced: Tue Feb  8 23:48:45 1994

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Another engagement announcement
         [Robert Book and Mandy Greenfield]
         [Daniel A. Yolkut]
Funerals and Marriages
         [Joel B. Wolowelsky]
Hospitals and Pastoral Care in Israel
         [Moshe Goldberg]
Jews and Dogs
         [Nathan Katz]
         [Yacov Barber]
Mezuza on an Office Door
         [Michael Broyde]
Mishloach Manot (2)
         [Lawrence Myers, Shimon Schwartz]
Practical Question Regarding 3-day Purim
         [Leora Morgenstern]
Singing During Davening
         [Harry Weiss]
Talking and Teaching
         [Zishe Waxman]


From: <rbook@...> (Robert Book and Mandy Greenfield)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 15:59:48 CST
Subject: Another engagement announcement

After seeing all the recent engagement announcements on mail-jewish,
we figured we ought to share our good news as well.  Mandy Greenfield
(<mgreenfield@...>) and Robert Book (rbook@rice.edu), both
mail-jewish readers, have become engaged and will be married,
G-d-willing, May 30, 1994, in Baltimore, Maryland.

It might be interesting to some of you that not only are we both
mail-jewish readers, but we first "met" (or at least, became aware of
each other's existence) via the Internet.

                   Robert Book and Mandy Greenfield
                <rbook@...>     mgreenfield@loyola.edu


From: Daniel A. Yolkut <yolkut@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:29:38 -0500
Subject: Daniyyel

I am about to begin a havruta studying Sefer Daniyyel. However, this is
unfortunatey no Da'at Miqra on Daniyyel. If anyone has had experience
learning Daniyyel and can recommend Mefarshim, a derekh to take, basic
points, questions to look at, etc. I would appreciate it

Daniel A HaLevi Yolkut


From: <sl14403@...> (Joel B. Wolowelsky)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:29:27 -0500
Subject: Funerals and Marriages

Does anyone know a source for the following two customs:

1. Having a "full" funeral for a sefer Torah that was destroyed by fire.

2. A bride and groom not seeing each other for a week before the marriage.


From: <vamosh@...> (Moshe Goldberg)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 12:51:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Hospitals and Pastoral Care in Israel

In Haifa, there is an organization called "Achisamach" which does
regular bikkur cholim [visits to the sick] in hospitals. At least, it
used to, up to several years ago, and I have no reason to think that it
has stopped.  These visits were of two types: (1) organized group visits
for special occasions, like a Purim party or for other holidays, and (2)
personal visits to patients.
  My father Z"L, who was a rabbi, took part in both types of visits.
  I have the following address and phone (possibly not current): 
      Tabor Street 2, Haifa; phone: 524750


From: Nathan Katz <NKATZ@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 19:35:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Jews and Dogs

I recall reading some Talmudic discussion about dogs to the effect that
one may not keep a dog unless one lives 'be-midbar', not in any
civilized place. Wish I could recall the citation. But this surely
predates any experiences of Cossaks.


From: <barbery@...> (Yacov Barber)
Date: Tue, Feb 08 22:21:10 1994
Subject: Kippah

>| {vol. 10 p. 394} that one can bring a source to the custom of wearing 2
> | head coverings {Chulin 138.} from the fact that the Cohen Gadol would wear
> | a woollen Yarmulka under the Priestly hat.
>What source is there for this statement that the Kohen HaGadol would wear 
>a woolen 'yarmulka' under his hat -- from what I understand he was 
>prohibited from wearing any other Bigadim -- except for the 8...

 The source is the above mentioned Gemorah and may I quote "Kipah shel
tzemer hoyso muneches brosh Cohen Godol v'oleho tziz noson". A woollen Kipa
(Rashi explains a small hat) was placed on the head of the C. Godol and on
that was placed the tziz.
 Rambam in Hil. Klei Hamikdosh {perek. 10 hal. 3} lists the order in which
the C. Godol should put on his clothing. The Kesef Mishna quotes the Gem.
in Chulin and says he doesn't understand why the Rambam did not mention the
fact that the C. Godol would wear a Kippah.In the sefer Har Hamoriah on
this hal. he writes that the Rambam does allude to the wearing of a kippah.
 In the sefer Aruch Hashulchon H'osid siman 32 seif 8 it says that the
kippah is not considered an extra garment since it is needed for the tziz.
The hal. then concludes, that perhaps this approach argues on a Braysa in
                        Yacov Barber 
Rabbi Yacov Barber
South Caulfield Hebrew Congregation
Phone: +613 576 9225, Fax: +613 528 5980


From: Michael Broyde <RELMB@...>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 12:45:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Mezuza on an Office Door

Someone asked about a mezuza on an office door at a university.  I do
not think a mezuza is required as there is no ownership or rental on the
office.  If one is in a situation where one can be moved out of ones
office at any time and without one's consnet there is no obligation to
place a mezuza up.  This is compounded by the fact that all know that a
professors claim to his or her office is very weak.  Thus, it is widely
agreed that a person who is sick and in the hospital -- even if they
stay for more that 30 days, normally the time to determine permanance --
no mezuza need be put up, as the person can be moved agains their will
and all know that he does not own or rent the the room.


From: Lawrence Myers <lmyers@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 17:03 GMT0
Subject: Mishloach Manot

Some readers object to MM projects on the grounds that they are not 
giving the items personally.   I seem to remember my LOR saying that
the best way to perform the mitzvah was to appoint an agent to
deliver, since the mitzvah is *MISHLOACH* [sending]  and not mat'nat
has any one else heard of this?


From: <schwartz@...> (Shimon Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:29:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Mishloach Manot

My synagogue has taken a quite different tack.  We have the synagogue
send -cards- to other members, fulfilling the mitzvah of MATANOT
L'EVYONIM (gifts to the poor).  Sending a card to another member costs
$5 (presumably, one card "signed" by multiple members); automatic
reciprocation (a card to those who've sent to you) costs $36.  This
activity was advertised as fulfilling matanot l'evyonim, in the spirit
of mishloach manot.  It is clear that one still needs to send food
portions to his neighbors.

I have selected as card recipients either those friends whom I'm
unlikely to see on Purim, or whom I know marginally but want to give a
little kavod.


From: <leora@...> (Leora Morgenstern)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 10:42:45 EST
Subject: Practical Question Regarding 3-day Purim

QUESTION:   If a person spends the first two days of a 3-day Purim
=========   in Jerusalem and then leaves Israel on Saturday night,
            how does that person keep Purim?

This is a practical problem: I'll be in Israel the week of Purim, and
will be leaving Saturday night, February 26.  I had planned to spend
Purim with my cousins in Bayit Vegan, but as I read through back issues
of mail.jewish, I realized that I would not be able to fulfill the
mitzvot of mishloach manot and se'udah (which are observed on the Sunday
of a 3-day Purim).

What are the halachic options in a case like this?  One option -- I
suppose -- is spending Purim outside Yerushalayim.  What does that
entail?  Does it mean that I need to fulfill the mitzvot of megillah,
matanot l'evyonim, mishloach manot, and se'udah outside Yerushalayim on
the 14th of Adar?  Or does it also mean that I must sleep outside
Yerushalayim as well?  Or is it a function of time -- do I need to spend
a fixed amount of time outside Yerushalayim?
  Or -- second option (??)  -- is it possible that there is some way for
me to fulfill the mitzvot of mishloach manot and se'udah on Friday or
Shabbat if I will be spending all of Friday and Shabbat in Yerushalayim
but leaving afterward?  Would it then be preferrable to do these mitzvot
on the 14th of Adar or the 15th?

I will of course consult a rav -- but I would be grateful for any
information on this topic.  Does anybody recall seeing this case
discussed?  What are the pointers to the relevant halachic literature?

Thanks in advance,
Leora Morgenstern


From: <harry.weiss@...> (Harry Weiss)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 94 16:45:11 
Subject: Singing During Davening

in MJ 11-63 Jeremy Nussbaum asked for opinions regarding "musicality" of
Shabbat and Yom Tov davening.  I think music and singing by the
congregation is a tremendous asset the services.  It also is a major
help to those who have problems with Hebrew, but have learned the tunes,
enabling them to participate.  Generally this can be done with minimal
lengthening of the services.

What I dislike immensely is the lengthy cantorial solos.  There is
nothing more frustrating than a 30 minute Hashkivenu on Friday nights.
It also appears that the length of these solos is inversely proportional
to the quality of the Chazan's voice and tunes.

Thank G-d our Shul has a Chazan (also an MJer, Marty London) with an
excellent voice who never drays on.  (By the way Mazal tov to Marty and
Bonne London on the upcoming wedding of their daughter Judy.)


From: <waxman@...> (Zishe Waxman)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 03:21:13 -0500
Subject: RE: Talking and Teaching

In a recent post, Aryeh Blaut posed the question of how to handle
children's reaction to adults talking during davening. He pointed out
that telling them that they are supposed to be an example for the adults
is no longer convincing.

In my neighborhood (KewGardensHills.Queens.NY.USA) an innovative
solution was implemented a few years ago. In one of the local shuls
(actuall a large shteibel), one of the mispallelim was a "'mesugah'
ledavar echad", he couldn't tolerate talking in shul. More specifically,
he couldn't stand to see how the children were learning from watching
the adults that it was OK to miss "amen" and "yehe smei rabbah.." by
schmoozing right through them. He bought two giant, transparent bell
jars and filled them with candy bars and toys. He then gathered all the
children in shul and sat them down at his table. These kids were
salivating over the (very obvious) goodies the whole davening. When it
was time for an "amen" he had the kids answer "bekol kocham" (with all
their might). Likewise for "yehe shmei..". At the end of the davening he
would reward the kids according to their hislahavus and participation.
In rather short order this "peid piper" had all the kids in the shul,
even the older ones, davening out loud and not talking during the

The reaction of the adults was even more interesting. In the begining,
many of the adults made fun of this fellow. But after a few weeks, after
they saw how well it worked and, perhaps, after being put to shame by
their children, most of the parents were quite supportive. They either
kept their kids at their sides and made sure they davened or brought
them over to sit by the communal childrens table. The ones that sat with
their parents were also awarded prizes based on their parents testimony.

Zishe Waxman


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