Volume 11 Number 91
                       Produced: Mon Feb 21 17:43:49 1994

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Frozen Challah for lechem mishneh
         [Aryeh Frimer]
         [Dr. Moshe Koppel]
         [Yosef Kazen]
Non-wheat Matzah
         [Lorri Waxman]
Parents of Converts at the Wedding
         [Rivkah Isseroff]
Pastoral Care and Hospitals in Israel
         [Nadine Bonner]
Rav Soloveichek's position on Yihud and Adoption
         [Jeff Woolf]
Stern College
         [Aleeza Esther Berger]
Strangers and Minyan
         [Alex Herrera]
         [Ari Z. Zivotofsky]
Time-dependant Mitzvot
         [Yisroel Rotman]
Yeasher Koach
         [Michael Shimshoni]


From: Aryeh Frimer <F66235@...>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 06:43:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Frozen Challah for lechem mishneh

I remember seeing in several poskim that a frozen Challah can be used
for lehem mishneh, but thus far I've succeeded in locating only one
source: Responsa Ohr le-Tziyyon (Rabbi Ben-Zion Aba Shaul; Rosh Yeshiva
of Porat Yosef in Jerusalem) vol. 2, chapter 21 sec. 2. His rationale is
that frozen bread is also bread as far as hafrashat Challah and Tumah
are concerned - so the same should be true for lehem mishneh. Others
have argued that since the second loaf is only lezecher (a remembrance)
it doesn't have to be edible (sorry , no exact source - from memory).


From: <koppel@...> (Dr. Moshe Koppel)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 00:05:30 +0200
Subject: Kotzk

Chaim Schild inquired about the Kotzker's writings. According to
legend the Kotzker had summed up his life's thought in a two page
treatise called 'Zos Toras HaAdam' which he then burned. The classic
compendium of his oral Torah is called Emes veEmuna which is hard to
come by. A more recent compendium which is more comprehensive and a
lot easier on the eyes is called Lahavos Kodesh, (M. and Y.
Zilbershtein,eds.), Mossad Harim Levine, Jerusalem, 5740.
[Publisher's address: Rehov HaTurim 5, Jerusalem  tel.:02-245035] 

-Moish Koppel


From: Yosef Kazen <yyk@...>
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:18:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: LUBAVITCH on the INTERNET

As of 7 Adar 5745 (Feb. 18, 1994) the world wide Chabad-Lubavitch Movement
opened their own host on the Internet. IP#

It is being staffed, at the moment by Yosef Kazen as Director of Activities
Email: <yyk@...> and by Eli Winsbacher, Director of Systems
Email: <ew@...>

They have their own information sheet of available material which one can
get if they do " <info@...>"

Another alternative is to e-mail directly to: <yyk@...>
and he'll send you the info sheet.

They offer weekly, daily and general electronic subscriptions to material
that is published. Most of the time however, "netters" will get the material 
even before it's printed if they subscribe to the Lubavitch list.

They will also make their material available on the CHABAD.ORG "Gopher" when
it will be ready.

To subscribe to their list send email to: <yyk@...>

Happy Purim!


From: <waxman@...> (Lorri Waxman)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 02:21:07 -0500
Subject: RE: Non-wheat Matzah

An inquiry was recently posted concerning the availability of non-wheat
matzho for pesach.

For the last few years kosher for pesach oat shmurah matzos have been
imported from England. They are imported to N.Y. and are usually UPSed
around the country. When I have more information about who is handling
it this year I will post it to the list.

With respect to the question regarding non-wheat challah, Baldwin Hill
makes a sour dough all rye bread and is under the hashgacha of Rabbi
Kelemer of Long Island (WK hashgacha). The company also makes a yeast
free sour dough spelt bread, but this usually comes sliced. Rudolph's
makes spelt rolls and bagels and has a reliable hashgacha. These
products are usually available in health food stores. If they are not
available locally it might be possible for your local health food store
to order them in.

Lorri Waxman


From: Rivkah Isseroff <rrisseroff@...>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 22:00:37 -0500
Subject: Parents of Converts at the Wedding

Eitan Fiorino asks about the earlier posting, where the poster related an 
experience in which the parents of the convert did not accompany the 
bride/groom to the chuppah. This was our experience also at our wedding 
13 years ago.  The mesader kidusin, Rabbi Marc Angel, who also performed 
my husband's conversion, explained (if I can remember correctly from 13 
years ago) that there was a degree of kedusha to the people who were 
"unterfering" to the chuppah, and that my husband's parents would not fit 
that role.  We did not press the issue, and had we, I don't know if Rabbi 
Angel would have decided otherwise.  My husband's parents came down a 
separate aisle, and stood just to the side of the chuppah, along with 
some of my family members (siblings).  My husband was "unterfered" by 
Rabbi and Rebbitzen Angel to the Chuppah. My husband's parent's were 
unaware of the significance of acccompanying the Chattan to the chuppah, 
or of standing under it, and they were quite happy to walk down the aisle 
themselves, and be given an honorable place to stand by the chuppah. 

Rivkah Isseroff


From: <n.bonner@...> (Nadine Bonner)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 00:11:14 -0500
Subject: Pastoral Care and Hospitals in Israel

   Like most things in Israel, hospitals are divided into secular and
religious.  Unfortunately most of my experience with Israeli hospitals was
with the secular sort, i.e.  Hadassah in Ein Karem.  And like Beilinson,
there were no chaplain type rabbis like you meet in US hospitals.  It seems
to be assumed that if you are dati, you have your own circle of rabbis
and/or friends to visit.  I had one friend who was dying of cancer and when
they stopped treatment they shunted him off to a side room and left him
there.  Even the doctors stopped coming in to check on him, and although his
friends came as often as they could, after a while the number of those
visits tapered off as people moved on with their own lives.
  Now, this may be different at hospitals with a religious orientation, such
as Bikur Holim and Shaare Zedek in Jerusalem.  My son was born on the last
day of Chanukkah in Bikur Holim. It happened to be a Friday night, and one
rabbi from Mea Shearim came in with a group of boys and lit the Chanukkah
candles, made kiddush for the women and then sang zmirot.  They returned in
the afternoon, despite a torrential downpour.  A friend of mine who gave
birth at Hadassah said she wouldn't even have known it was Shabbat there.
  Also organizations like Amit and Emunah have Bikur Holim committees to
look after their members. But there are no city wide organizations to take
care of those people who fall through the cracks.


From: Jeff Woolf <F12043@...>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 16:36:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Rav Soloveichek's position on Yihud and Adoption

Just to add my two cents to my friend Michael Broyde's comment on Yihud
and the Rav's position on adoption...In Boston this was always taken to
be public policy, in other words, after the Rav's psak noone ever asked

                                                    Jeffrey Woolf
                                                   Bar Ilan University


From: Aleeza Esther Berger <aeb21@...>
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 23:28:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Stern College

The reputation of Stern as a place just to get a "MRS" was more true in the
past than it is now.  Maybe it's worth looking into.  

Aliza Berger


From: <Aherrera@...> (Alex Herrera)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:58
Subject: Re: Strangers and Minyan

Malcolm Isaacs writes about a recent incident in his shul where a person's 
Jewish linage coincidently came into question. The issue was resolved, but he 
now wonders if strangers should be questioned thoroughly about their Jewish 
linage before offering them an aliah or counting them toward the minyon.

>I would have thought that we should demand some kind of proof before we
>include people in a Minyan and offer them Mitzvot.  Of course, this may
>mean having ten men present, and not being able to say Barchu etc.

I think such demands are out of the question unless one has a serious doubt 
and one is certain the person in question is lying. The solution is to have 
people police themselves. Make known what the requirements are for being 
counted toward the minyon or being honored with an aliah and let people make 
the determination themselves. 

I am a convert under Conservative Judaism. I know I would not be counted 
toward a minyon in an Orthodox shul. While I was in Tokyo a while back I 
attended a minyon at the Conservative synagogue there. Before the service 
began I socialized with the men and I was told that although the synagogue 
was Conservative, the services held there were Orthodox so as to serve their 
membership which were nearly half Orthodox. I was offered an aliah. I 
refused. I knew that the service was Orthodox and that their membership 
wanted and deserved an Orthodox service. I was happy to comply. I was there 
only a couple of weeks so it was not hardship on me. There were plenty of men 
there for a minyon, but if it had been close, I would have dutifully marched 
to the binah and quietly announced my ritual status. It is as simple as that. 

Each person himself should know enough to refuse honors if he knows he does 
not qualify. To question each individual's ritual status would bring dishonor 
to many people who do not deserve such humiliation.

Alex Herrera


From: <azz@...> (Ari Z. Zivotofsky)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 15:56:33 -0500
Subject: Temple

There has been some discussion regarding architectural plans for the
Beit Hamikdash. Chronicles I 28:2-19 seems to imply that King David had
written plans which he transmitted to Solomon. Midrash Shmuel chap. 15
elaborates on this as does Yerushalmi Megillah 1:1. King David trying to
understand this and transmit it are described in Agadat Breshit chap. 38
and Zvuchim 54b. For alot of discussion on this topic see Yadin's book
on the Temple Scroll (or another complete book on the subject).
	Some one also asked about bathroom facilities in the Beis
Hamikdash. The mishna at the beginning of Tamid describes a "Beis Kissa
shel Kavod" (an honorable bathroom) in the tunnels under the Azarah. Its
uniqueness lay in the fact that it had a door that locked. But it is
clear that there were some sort of facilities in the beis hamikdash,
which probably drained out similar to the way all of the blood did, a
primitive form of plumbing.


From: Yisroel Rotman <srotman@...>
Date: Mon,  21 Feb 94 17:32 0200
Subject: Time-dependant Mitzvot

It is commonly stated that women are exempt from positive commandments
which are time-dependant because the obligations of the home fall on
them.  I just finished the section in the talmud on this subject, and
could not find that rational stated.  It is expressed as learned out
from the verses.  Can anyone give me a reference for the first time this
rational is given.

		Yisroel Rotman


From: Michael Shimshoni <MASH@...>
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 10:56:11 +0200
Subject: Re: Yeasher Koach

Larry Teitelman suggests

>Rav Efrayim Zalman Margaliyot in his _Mateh Efrayim_ (compendium on the
>laws pertaining to Elul and Tishrei, 592:11) cites a practice to greet
>the shaliach tzibbur, tokea`, kohanim, etc. with "asher koach". He
>notes that others say "yeasher koach" and explains that while the
>former is in the second person, the latter is in the third person which
>signifies an added measure of respect.

As To Rav Margaliyot's suggestion of the third person being more
respectful, even as a youngster I was troubled by that practice as after
all in blessings we use barukh *ata* H'.

It seems to me that it could be an influence of those languages in which
there is a difference between du/sie, tu/vous and to a lesser extend
thou/you.  In Yiddish we have it as well.

 Michael Shimshoni


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