Volume 15 Number 19
                       Produced: Fri Sep  2  0:36:48 1994

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

         [Avi Feldblum]
Birkat Hamazon Question
         [Francine S. Glazer]
Boiling Three Eggs
         [Joseph Steinberg]
Bread without washing
         [David Curwin]
Computers in Meru's Research
         [Stan Tenen]
Kaddish customs 14/85
         [Neil Edward Parks]
New Fruit for Rosh HaShanah
         [Avi Wollman]
Pasuk Numbers
         [Danny Skaist]
Rabbi Bernstein z"tsl
         [Rafael Salasnik]


From: mljewish (Avi Feldblum)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 00:30:34 -0400
Subject: Administrivia

First, we have two Mazal Tov's on the list. 

Ezra Rosenfeld writes:
> Ayelet HaSchachar Rosenfeld was born at dawn last Friday morning (19 
> Elul).

Aharon Fischman - <afischma@...> writes:

> 	I' glad to tell you that as of Wednesday I am engaged to Aliza
> Novogroder(<novagroa@...>), also of Teaneck N.J. May Klall Yisroel
> only have more smachot.

Also, if you tried to download the yom_kippur file earlier in the day,
you may have only gotten half the file. I fixed the file about 4:00pm
Eastern time, if you picked it up before, you will need to get it again.

Avi Feldblum
mail-jewish Moderator


From: <fglazer@...> (Francine S. Glazer)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 09:07:19 EDT
Subject: Birkat Hamazon Question

I'm submitting this question for my husband, Harry Glazer, a "hardcopy"
member of the list.  

In the Birkat Hamazon (blessings after meals), why do women recite the 
words "v'al britecha shechatamta biv'sarenu" (and also for the covenant
which you sealed in our flesh), when women are not obligated in Brit Milah?

Harry Glazer


From: Joseph Steinberg <steinber@...>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:15:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Boiling Three Eggs

Regarding the post by Bruce Krulwich <krulwich@...>

:Many people have the practice to always boil at least three eggs at a
:time, so that if one has a blood spot, and is thus treif, the majority
:would still be Kosher (assuming only one had a spot).  Combining that
:with the nature of the prohibition against blood spots, which as I
:understand it is Rabbinical, we get the other eggs being Kosher in such
:a circumstance.

This seems to be a common practice. Can someone please explain to me 
why this is so. The blood spots on eggs in the USA are not from a new 
chick developing -- as all eggs are 'farmed' in areas that have no males 
(roosters) and therefore cannot be fertilized and therefore cannot have a 
chick developing in them. I.e., the blood spots should actually (at least 
it seems) NOT render the egg non-Kosher to begin with. Could someone 
explain please.

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From: <6524dcurw@...> (David Curwin)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 15:08:07 -0400
Subject: Bread without washing

Does anyone know the source (if there is one) for the custom or halacha
that says that if one is restricted from washing, he can make hamotzi
and just not touch the bread? I have seen many people do this on
airplanes, when it is impossible for them to get up.


From: Stan Tenen <meru1@...>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 13:23:41 -0700
Subject: Computers in Meru's Research

The problem with using computers on our work is that we are NOT doing 
"computer analysis" but rather computer modeling.  While there is 
analysis and some analytic experiments we could do, no one has ever 
volunteered to help with this and, until recently, we didn't have enough 
information to analyze. 

This has changed.  For example, we now have a 3x3x3 matrix (of sorts) 
that assigns explicit meanings to each of the Hebrew letters.  By means 
of manual dictionary searches, we have been able to confirm some of the 
letter meanings and letter combination (2-letter root) meanings.  But we 
have done this for only a few of the possibilities.  If someone has 
neural-net software and if someone can figure out how to compare 
dictionary meanings (perhaps with the aid of established translation 
software), we could now explore all 2-letter roots exhaustively.  If our 
meaning charts and the neural net's stabilized meanings coincide, that 
would be a powerful confirmation of one essential aspect of our theory. 

One the other hand, the most important computer job that we have been 
utterly unable to accomplish is the exact modeling of the geometric 
forms we have discovered.  I know that this is hard to believe, but 
among the literally dozens of computer folks who have tried, all have 
given up for one reason or another.  This has left us vulnerable to the 
plagiarist who has taken our work. He simply curve-traced our copyright 
geometric form and proclaimed that he had solved the problem - thus 
making us look like fools.  Because new-age persons without decent 
educations are unaware of the facts and because the plagiarist claims to 
be using a golden mean function (which popular new-age folklore says is 
the basis of all recursive systems - IT IS NOT, OF COURSE), that, as a 
mathematical function, cannot be copyright, the plagiarist has generally 
gotten away with his fraud (or managed to totally discredit our work.)  
Needless to say, this has been very scary for us.

The solution to this problem has always been for us to generate the 
correct geometric form on the computer.  That would put the fraud to 
rest.  So, we have been actively seeking help with this for the past 6-

If you are good with parametric equations and can work with Mathematica 
(or equivalents), we need your (your = you all, not just you personally) 
help.  Wait until you see our printed materials.  Then we can discuss 
the geometry in detail and, perhaps, someone will see a way to solve the 
problem.  Fortunately, we know a lot more about the form now then we did 
6-years ago, and, fortunately, computer software has gotten much better 
(for those who can afford it and the machines to run it on.)

Stan Tenen				Internet:	<meru1@...>
P.O. Box 1738			CompuServe:	75015,364
San Anselmo, CA 94979 U.S.A.


From: <aa640@...> (Neil Edward Parks)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 08:43:15 -0400
Subject: Kaddish customs 14/85

     Aleeza Esther Berger <aeb21@...> said:
 >> ...    the custom at that time in shul was for *one* person only to say
 >>kaddish; they wouldn't have wanted a woman to be the only one.  Now that
 >>the *synagogue custom has changed* and many recite kaddish together,
 >> ...

Not everyone has "changed".  At the Telshe Yeshiva, in Wickliffe,
Ohio, only one person says kaddish.

That's one of four different customs I've encountered in various
shuls.  Others are:

-- All the mourners and yartzeit's say kaddish at the same time,
but not together.  This seems to be the most common practice.  I
don't like it, because I find it difficult to listen and respond
properly.  In many shuls, they seem to be in a race to see who
can mumble it the fastest.

-- The shammes of the shul leads the kaddish, and all the
mourners say it with him in unison.  This makes it easy for the
congregation to hear and respond.  Heights Jewish Center and
Taylor Road Synagogue in Cleveland both do it this way.

-- Different occurrences of kaddish are reserved for different
people.  The rabbi announces "Yartzeit Kaddish" or "Mourners and
Yartzeit Kaddish".  (This was at a shul in Queens, New York, that
I used to go to many years ago.)

Are there any other variations?


From: Avi Wollman <avi@...>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 05:33:08 -0400
Subject: New Fruit for Rosh HaShanah

> What defines the fruit to say shechechiyanu on:

Anything you haven't eatten for 30 days. For the braca of shechiyanu
even not seeing something for 30 days is enought. Eg. a friend.

Avi Wollman


From: DANNY%<ILNCRD@...> (Danny Skaist)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 10:15:39 -0400
Subject: Pasuk Numbers

>Fred E. Dweck
>If one counts correctly, then Deuteronomy 30:5 would correspond to 5708
>Likewise, the pasuk corresponding to 5727 (1967) is:

Does anybody know or can they find out what is pasuk number 4000.  I am
curious just how this fits in with the theory of the missing 165 years.



From: <Rafi@...> (Rafael Salasnik)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 12:57:09 -0400
Subject: Rabbi Bernstein z"tsl

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Rabbi Isaac Bernstein z"tl

In the selichot week before Rosh Hashanah, UK Jewry have been shocked by
the sudden death on Monday 29 August of Rabbi Isaac Bernstein, one of the
most dynamic UK Rabbis, aged only 54.

He had occupied key pulpits in Dublin, London and New York.  The
Dublin-born Rabbi had been religious leader of the Finchley Synagogue
(Kinloss Gardens) - one of London's largest - for the last 13 years.

He was both a powerful and passionate speaker as well as an innovative
educator who excited and enthralled audiences.  His erudite shiurim were
allways well-attended and many of them recorded for those unable to attend.
His very popular Monday night Shiurim were attended by over 300 people and
for many, this represented their only formal religious education.

Prior to the funeral, addresses were made to an audience of several hundred
men and women who packed Finchley Synagogue and overflowed to the
streets outside.  Addresses were made by one of his son's, by the former
Chief Rabbi Lord Jakobovits and by a colleague Rabbi Kimche all of whom
noted the association with the upcoming period of divine judgement.  His son
described the loss as not only personal for the family but also for his
'extended family' - that of the wider community - and described his father's
primary quality as being 'malchus' (majesty).  Lord Jakobovits recalled that
he had known the deceased since his childhood and given the address at his
Bar Mitzvah.  He noted that this was the first time this always active man was
still.  He also gave words of comfort to the family and members of the
synagogue.  Rabbi Kimche described Rabbi Bernstein as being a man who was
intolerant both of ignorance and of hypocrisy. He said that whenever they met
Rabbi Bernstein would always expound some new piece of Torah material he
had learned and his enthusiasm was always obvious.

Rabbi Bernstein had learnt at the Gateshead Yeshiva and the Rosh Ha'yeshiva,
Reb Avrohom Gurwicz spoke most powerfully at the Beis Olam prior to the
actual burial.

Rabbi Bernstein's death leaves a vacuum in the lives of not only his
community but a very wide circle of family, talmidim, friends and admirers
around the world.

AUG-94   <Rafi@...>


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