Volume 16 Number 43
                       Produced: Wed Nov  9 10:17:02 1994

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Daf Yomi Question
         [David Charlap]
Day School lay leaders
         [Stanley Weinstein]
         [Gerald Sacks]
English, Hebrew and Yiddish
         [Josh Cappell]
Judaica Catalog List -- Need Help
         [Philip Mulivor]
Kosher Pig
         [Frank Silbermann]
Lashon Hara
         [Ezra Rosenfeld]
Modern Orthodox
         [Zvi Weiss]
Rarest Shemoneh Esreh
         [Jeff Fischer]
Shlomo Carelbach, z'l
         [Mike Eisenstadt]
Shlomo Carlebach ZTZ'L
         [Gad Frenkel]
Swearing in Court (2)
         [Michael Broyde, Claire Austin]
Swearing to tell the truth
         [Rafael Salasnik]
Where does Parev come from?
         [Jeremy Lebrett]
         [Philip Ledereic]


From: <david@...> (David Charlap)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:10:50 EST
Subject: Re: Daf Yomi Question

Arthur J Einhorn <0017801@...> writes:
>On today's daf, Baba Basra 17, the first mishna in Lo Yachpor that
>one has to keep Slayim far from his friends wall. What are these
>Slayim? Rashi says that these Slayim are stones that are radiating
>and give out heat that damages the wall. The Art Scroll translates
>flitstones and explains that they are used to make fire. Imho I don't
>understand this because presumably the person just stores his stones
>by the wall. ...

I propose another idea: that these are stones that have been heated to
glowing in a fire.  When camping in cold weather, I remember heating
stones in a bonfire to keep the area warm after the people go to sleep
and the fire goes out.  Perhaps this was done back in the days of the
Gemara.  As when camping, one has to be very careful that the glowing
stones don't come in contact with anything combustible (leaves, wood,
tents, people, etc.)


From: Stanley Weinstein <stanwein@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:09:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Day School lay leaders

A few months ago someone posted a message about starting a group 
discussion of lay leaders in day schools to share different problems, 
concerns,solutions etc. world wide.  Has this ever started.  If so how do 
I join.
Stanley Weinstein


From: Gerald Sacks <sacks@...>
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 08:44:11 EST
Subject: Dwarfism

I have a urgent need to contact Jews affected by dwarfism.  My Email
address is <sacks@...>  Phone numbers are (617) 783-6364
(home) and (603) 881-2085 (work).
					Gerald Sacks


From: <josh@...> (Josh Cappell)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:37:26 EST
Subject: Re: English, Hebrew and Yiddish

	I just wanted to add one word to R. Braun's response to Sam
Juni's comment that English is more expressive than Hebrew or Yiddish.
In a television interview I.B. Singer was once asked if he finds the
relatively limited vocabulary of Yiddish to be constricting.  He replied
that no, perhaps if he were writing on astrophysics he would find it
limiting.  But as he writes about humain joy and suffering he believes 
Yidddish is the most expressive language there is, because 
the Jews have had deep experiences of both.
						Josh Cappell


From: <pmulivor@...> (Philip Mulivor)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 09:25:11 EST
Subject: Judaica Catalog List -- Need Help

I'm trying to compile a list of Judaica catalogs in the U.S. If you know
of one, kindly take a moment to send me the company name, phone, etc. If
you wish, I'll be glad to send you a copy of my final list.

Philip Mulivor
716-256-2222 (fax)


From: Frank Silbermann <fs@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:24:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Kosher Pig

In Vol16 #38 Moishe Halibard asks how the pig will become kosher in the
days of the Moshiach even if it starts chewing its cud, citing yotzei
min hatamei tamei - what comes out of the impure remains impure.

Is it certain that this prophesy is indeed referring to pigs?  Might it
not be a veiled reference to the Romans (or their modern-day

Frank Silbermann	<fs@...>	New Orleans, Louisiana  USA


From: Ezra Rosenfeld <zomet@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:35:45 +0200 (IST)
Subject: Lashon Hara

I was not a Chassid of Shlomo Carlebach, nor was I a Mitnaged. Our paths
crossed a few times in the past 25 years and I definitely enjoyed his

However, I take strong exception to the recent post by Mr. Bob Werman.
Regardless of what motivated him to write such a post, I question why he
felt the need to refer to Shlomo's behavior in such an unflattering
manner in a public forum.

I further question the lack of editing or censorship of this type of
post.  Perhaps the time has come for an evaluation of present editorial

[I agree. I will go over today much of your various responses to my
questions regarding length. Along with that question are some of your
thoughts about the level of editing that people seem to want. I will try
and summarize what I hear from people as well as share some of my
thoughts with you. Avi Feldblum, your Moderator]

Ezra Rosenfeld


From: Zvi Weiss <weissz@...>
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 16:39:01 -0500
Subject: Modern Orthodox

If you can get hold of any of the articles of Rabbi/Dr. Norman Lamm, I be-
lieve that you will find additional material on this matter as I have heard
him speak and he has pretty well-defined views on this topic.

A few years ago, an issue of TRADITION had an article discussing "what is
Modern Orthodox".  The author's opinion was that "Modern Orthodox" were dis-
tinguished by the following:
1. A greater opneness to secular knowledge including the willingness to go to
   University or College and regard this knowledge as inherently of worth
   (as opposed to being nothing more than a way to earn a living).
2. A positive attitude toward the State of Israel.  This does NOT mean re-
   garding it as the end-all and be-all but it also means that we do not regard
   it as some sort of "creation of the devil" or somehting to work with in the
   most reluctant fashion possible.  Instead, Modern Orthodoxy regards this as
   a challenge and a gift given to us by G-d... for which we should be
   most thankful.
3. A greater willingness to deal with the outside world, in general and not
   retreat behind "the barricades".

I believe that those were the mian points of the article.  The author
EXPLICITLY rejected the idea that "modern Orthodoxy" should imply a lack
of care in the observance of Mitzvot..  That is not "modern" ... that is
just laziness.



From: Jeff Fischer <jfncyi@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:50:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Rarest Shemoneh Esreh

Well, that is correct, but when it comes to Shabbos Shemoneh Esrays and 
you are talking world wide, there is a rarer Shemoneh Esray.  And that is 
Shushan Purim that falls on Shabbos because you say Al Hanisim of Purim.


From: <KLEZMER313@...> (Mike Eisenstadt)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:28:21 -0500
Subject: Shlomo Carelbach, z'l

I host a weekly Jewish radio show based in Tampa and heard throughout
west central Florida coast.  I am busily preparing a special on Shlomo
Carelbach, z'l. to include his music, stories, interviews with people
close to him, etc.

Many of you, like myself, met and spent time with Shlomo.  I would be
very interested in your anecdotes and stories about Shlomo. Please
e-mail them to me ASAP as I will be in the studio editing on Nov 17-18.


Mike Eisenstadt

1210 E. Martin Luther King
Tampa, Fl. 33603


From: Gad Frenkel <0003921724@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 13:05 EST
Subject: Re: Shlomo Carlebach ZTZ'L

Re the recent negative posting regarding HaRav Shlomo Carlebach ZTZ'L (
which IMHO certainly doesn't need to be repeated), I didn't think that
we were taking nominations for Gadol HaDor.  It seemed to me that some
people were choosing to share their recollection of someone who was
important to them, and in their opinions K'lal Yisroel.  I would like to
suggest what I often say to my kids: If you don't have anything good to
say don't say anything.  Nothing is to be gained by petty bad-mouthing.
But since this Loshon Hora has already been propagated a response is
        No one can deny R'Shlomo's tremendous intellect, powerful
charisma, and deep artistic talents.  His boundless energy and
self-sacrifice were awe inspiring. He put himself on the line, and went
where no one else dared venture: college campuses (before there was a
kiruv movement), Haight-Ashbury, Germany, Russia, Poland, Israeli
television, Israeli prisons, Israeli hospitals.  And this is just a
partial list.  Everywhere he went he had but one message - serve G-d and
learn Torah.
        By putting himself on the line he faced challenges that most of
us can't even imagine.  Did he make mistakes?  I don't know anyone who
hasn't.  But when I make my mistakes no one knows.  When R'Shlomo made
his mistakes there were plenty of people standing around somehow feeling
vindicated.  Sure, he could have stayed in a Bais Medrash somewhere and
led a nice safe life.  And maybe L'chatchela one should not place
themselves in a dangerous position.  But I personally know scores, and
there are hundreds if not thousands, of people who owe their connection
to Torah and Yiddishkeit to the fact that R'Shlomo took the risks that
he did.  Z'chuso Yagen Ahlainu.

Gad Frenkel


From: Michael Broyde <RELMB@...>
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 94 10:34:39 EST
Subject: Re: Swearing in Court

On the question of affirming or swearing, it is clearly preferable, as
noted by a number of writers, to affirm and not swear.  It is important
to note, however, that if one uses the phrase "so help me God" at the
end of the statment, that automatically makes it an oath and not an
affirmation according to halacha.

From: Claire Austin <CZCA@...>
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 94 07:48:35 EST
Subject: Swearing in Court

I have received numerous replies to my question of taking an oath in
court.  No one however has provided me with any SOURCES (halacha,
responsa or other).  The answers given generally say that a Jew does not
take an oath.  Some say that the reason is that an oath is a very
serious thing. The first I knew already; the second is precisely the
reason that the courts ask people to take an oath.  The fact that this
doesn't stop people from lying anyway is irrelevant to the question that
I asked.

I ask my question again, how does a religious Jew explain BASED ON
SOURCES why his religion does not allow him to take an oath in court?

Claire Austin


From: <Rafi@...> (Rafael Salasnik)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 94 18:47:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Swearing to tell the truth 

Following the comments about swearing an oath in court I just thought
I'd add a note on the situation in the UK. As a JP (Justice of the
Peace/magistrate ie a lay judge) sitting in a very multi-ethnic area,
I'm in court very frequently and have observed many and varied oath
takings, including my own when first appointed !

Basically one has the option to affirm rather than swear. The word
'affirm' is then substitued for 'swear' and it is done without holding a
bible/religious holy book. Swearing is done on the witness's 'holy book'
ie Catholics use a Bible that combines both "old" and "new" testaments,
Protestants use only the "new", Moslems use the Koran (Which
incidentally has to be kept in a plastic cover so that non-Muslims don't
directly touch it) and so on. If a Jew wishes to swear the oath it would
be on the Tanach ("old testament" in their language).

There is a move to abolish the oath taking since it is no longer taken
as seriously as it once was - the threat of perjury & lying whilst
swearing to G-d, no longer carries the moral/religious connotations it
once did.

Officially Judges/Magistrates/Juries are not supposed to put any
negative inference where a witness chooses to affirm rather than swear
the oath, however the very fact that this still needs to be told to
Judges/JPs suggests that some, at least, still have that negative



From: Jeremy Lebrett <J_LEBRETT%<REC@...>
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 04:22:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Where does Parev come from?

Does anyone know where the word 'Parev' or 'Parve' (neither meat nor
milk) comes from? I know about the Beis HaParvoh in the Beis HaMikdash
but that didn't seem to have much to do with meat and milk.

[I strongly suspect that it has a Yiddish derivation. Mod.]


From: Philip Ledereic <ledereic@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 23:35:56 EST
Subject: WIZO

Can anybody tell me about the organization wizo (womens zionist



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