Volume 19 Number 66
                       Produced: Fri May 19  9:06:32 1995

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Administrivia: Mazal Tov
         [Hillel E. Markowitz]
         [Zvi Weiss  ]
E-Mail and Internet at Bar Ilan U
         [Andrea Penkower Rosen]
Ha'aderet V'ha'eh'mu'na
         [Mordechai Lando]
Hameivin yavin
         [Eric W. Mack]
         [David Sherman]
J&J Dairy Products
         [Chaim Schild]
Keeping One's Feet Together during Kaddish
         [Shmuel Himelstein]
kissing one's children in synagogue and young children in synagogue
         [Alan Cooper and Tamar Frank]
L'cha Dodi Turning
         [Shmuel Goldsmith]
Lecho Dodi - v19#55
         [Yehudah Edelstein]
Men Responding to Women's Zimun
         [Arthur Roth]
R. Issac Breuer
         [Jeff Mandin]
Telling that someone is a Ger
         [Elad Rosin]
Turning for L'cha Dodi
Vegetarian food / Kashrut
Why Women Marry
         [Anya Finegold]
Yaakov and the Spotted Flocks
         [Chaim Stern]


From: Hillel E. Markowitz <hem@...>
Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 22:46:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Administrivia: Mazal Tov

Mazal tov to my son Chaim Markowitz of Baltimore and Rochel Leah Brodie 
of Boro Park on their engagement.

|  Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz |     Im ain ani li, mi li?      |
|   <H.E.Markowitz@...>   |   V'ahavta L'raiecha kamocha   |


From: Zvi Weiss		 <weissz@...>
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 09:51:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Clarification

I now realize that I may have been imprecise in my comment as to why 
women are not obligated in P'ru uR'rvu (procreation).  I wrote that due 
to the element of hazard, Hashem did now give this as a mitzva to women,  
what I *should* have stated is that due to the element of hazard, Hashem 
did not make it an *obligatory* mitzva on women.  There is more than a 
bit of a difference.
I do not believe that this answers the issues raised but it may provide 
additional material for analysis....



From: Andrea Penkower Rosen <apr@...>
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 09:48:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: E-Mail and Internet at Bar Ilan U

Gary Shachne inquired about student access to e-mail and the internet at 
Bar Ilan U.  Students at Bar Ilan have full access to the internet though 
I do not know what constitute the qualifications for an account.

It is through just such e-mail accounts that I keep up with my nieces and 
nephews who are all at Bar_Ilan.

Andrea Penkower Rosen


From: <Mordechai.E.Lando@...> (Mordechai Lando)
Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:05:24 EST
Subject: Ha'aderet V'ha'eh'mu'na

Jerrold Landau in m-j,19-54 incorrectly cites the minhag of Nusach
S'fard.  On Shabbos and Yomtov, we say Ha'a'de'ret V'ha'eh'mu'na
immediately preceding Boruch Sh'aw'mar.  Thus there is no interruption
between the two brochos.

     M.E. Lando ha'm'chu'na Yukum


From: <ce157@...> (Eric W. Mack)
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 06:23:30 -0400
Subject: Hameivin yavin

What is the origin of the phrase "Hameivin yavin" (he who understands
will understand)?

Eric Mack    <ce157@...>


From: <dave@...> (David Sherman)
Date: Mon, 8 May 95 09:37 EDT
Subject: heart-K?

Any idea what a solid black heart with a white K in it is?  My wife saw
it on some jars of butter spreads yesterday, and we're wondering if it's
a reliable hechsher.

(please reply directly to me at <dave@...> Thanks)

David Sherman


From: <SCHILDH@...> (Chaim Schild)
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 09:47:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: J&J Dairy Products

Who are the rabbis giving supervision to J&J Dairy Products (Brookyln,
NY) ?  I am not asking about validity; I just want to know who is
"Agudas HaBosem" (?)?



From: Shmuel Himelstein <himelstein@...>
Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 02:18:45 GMT
Subject: Keeping One's Feet Together during Kaddish

a) has anyone found any written source for keeping one's feet together 
during Kaddish? (I've only seen Amidah and Kedushah mentioned). I 
believe that many Sefardim do not keep their feet together.

b) I vaguely recollect having once found a source to the effect that 
printed religious works (as opposed to written scrolls) all have the 
same Kedushah, and that the rule as to what goes on top of what only 
applies to written scrolls. Does anyone have any knowledge of this?

c) Does the time of the Molad which is announced at Birkat HaChodesh 
change with Daylight Saving Time? I have a feeling that it doesn't, 
because the calculations are all from the point of Creation - 
Heh-Baharad. If that is the case, is there any formula available for 
translating the Molad time into our time?

d) What is the reason for announcing the Molad? Spier's calendar states 
that it's to show that we're announcing the New Moon based on the Luach 
rather than Re'iyah. Does anyone know anything more about this? Is this 
similar to "Lehotzi miliban shel Tzeddukim?"? (i.e., as opposed to 
those who still insist on Re'iyah? If so, who are the "Tzeddukim" in 
this case?


   Shmuel Himelstein
from Jerusalem the Golden


From: Alan Cooper and Tamar Frank <Alan.Cooper@...>
Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 18:37:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: kissing one's children in synagogue and young children in synagogue

Can some of the learned individuals who subscribe to mail-jewish
please refer me to any recent discussion of the prohibition against
kissing one's children in synagogue (Rama in OH Hilkhot Tefilla 98).
Also, I am familiar with the Shela"h's famous diatribe against the
presence of young children in synagogue (Ner Mitzvah on Tamid, par.
76), which is cited by the Magen Avraham and the Mishna Berura.  I
am interested in further discussion of that topic as well, especially
in authorities who take a more lenient view than the Shela"h.

Please reply to me privately if you think that this would not be
a topic of interest to other subscribers.

Many thanks,
Alan Cooper    <acooper@...>


From: <shmuel.goldsmith@...> (Shmuel Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:52:01 GMT
Subject: L'cha Dodi Turning

On the question of which direction to turn for "Bo'i b'shalom" in L'cha
Dodi, other readers have said one should turn toward the right, in a
clockwise direction.

Sefer HaMinhagim-Minhagei Chabad states that one should turn toward the
left (in a counterclockwise direction).  It cites Pri M'gadim and Shaar
HaKollel; the latter cites Shaar HaKavanos.



From: <yehudah@...> (Yehudah Edelstein)
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 22:24:48 +0200
Subject: Lecho Dodi - v19#55

I don't remember where I saw it but I turn clockwise to face the sun
setting.  When saying Boi Chala, would bow once, turn back clockwise and
bow again saying Boi Chala. Bowing once and turning back forward to bow
once more is mentioned by Harav Munk, "Olam Hatfilot-Shabbat' page
13.(also exists in english) The right is usually preferable when you
have a choice, as giving more respect. You would leave the Ark from your
right. Slip on your right shoe first and many more examples.  While
writing this post I picked up a book 'Hasidur Vhatfila', by Harav
Shteinzaltz, page 373. He mentions that the custom of bowing may of
originated, from welcomimg mourners into the shul (facing the entrance),
Friday night, after sitting Shiva at home. Another reason may be in
remembering, the custom that everyone would go to the outskirts of the
city to receive the Shabbat. Harav Shteinzatlz mentions facing the
entrance or Jerusalem where the Shchina comes from.

Yehudah Edelstein "<yehudah@...>" Raanana, Israel


From: <rotha@...> (Arthur Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:38:37 -0500
Subject: Men Responding to Women's Zimun

>From Aryeh Frimer (MJ 19:1), quoting R. Dovid Feinstein:
>      2) He saw nothing wrong with 3 women making a zimun in the presence
> of two men, but felt that since the men don't count toward the zimun
> they should reply like one who has not eaten - namely "boruch umevorach
> shmo tamid le-olam va'ed"

A katan, a woman, and a slave do not count towards a men's zimun.  Yet
if they have eaten together with the men making the zimun, they answer
the same way as everyone else.  It would hence seem that the above
conclusion is not justified, or at least not for the reason that has
been provided.

Arthur Roth


From: Jeff Mandin <jeff@...>
Date: Wed, 17 May 95 18:57:06 EDT
Subject: R. Issac Breuer

I didn't catch the beginning of this thread, so I'm not sure if anyone
mentioned the study of R. Breuer's philosophy of Judaism entitled 
"From Kant to Kaballah" by Alan Mittleman (SUNY University Press).

R. Breuer's primary work in the philosophical mode is the New 
Kuzari, which is partially translated in the Concepts of Judaism volume.
Might someone out there(R. Carmy?) be able to comment on it?


From: <3QJ5ROSINE@...> (Elad Rosin)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:02:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Telling that someone is a Ger

In a previous issue of MJ going back to March 30, Zvi Weiss says that
disclosing the status of a person being a Ger is a violation of Lashon
Hara.  As far as I know something is only Lashon Hara if it is a "Gnai"
(unfavorable) in either an objective or subjective view.  If someone
says that Mr. X is a Ger in a derogatory manner that would satisfy the
requirements to be deemed Lashon Hara.  Otherwise unless you can show
that being a Ger is objectively a bad thing it would permissable to tell
somebody else that a specific person is a Ger.
 Elad Rosin


From: A.M.Goldstein <MZIESOL@...>
Subject: Turning for L'cha Dodi

The Shulchan Aruch/Mishna Brura discusses turning, so it is not a silly
question.  One turns to the right.  Reference, if I remember, is volume
2 (kerech bet), chapt. 128 (siman kaf chaf het), at any rate the simanim
dealing with nesiat capayim {priestly blessing}.


From: <Andrew_Marc_Greene@...>
Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:19 -0400
Subject: Vegetarian food / Kashrut

Recently, our local supermarket (in Brookline, Mass) started carrying
several products that are "approved for vegetarians" by various British
vegetarian groups. (For example, some have the green V that looks like a

I was once told that most British foods don't have explicit hekhsher
"service marks" as we do in the US.

My question is, do any of the Britons reading mail-jewish have
information on whether any of these vegetarian groups are also
considered reliable, or if there are specific brands that are known to
be acceptable?

I'll try to take notes on the specific brands & items the next time I go



From: Anya Finegold <ae_fine@...>
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:15:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Why Women Marry

I once learned that Hashem put a desire into the woman to marry.


From: Chaim Stern <PYPCHS%<EZMAIL@...>
Date: Fri 12 May 1995 13:00 ET
Subject: Yaakov and the Spotted Flocks

>From: <rambam@...> (Barbara Schwab)

>Does anyone out there have scientific (genetic) explanations how Yaakov
>manages to get so many spotted flocks?  I've already checked the Feliks
>article in Encyclopedia Judaica.  This question is being posed on behalf
>of a very gifted high school student.  Thanks to all.

In the book "InnerSpace", R. Aryeh Kaplan explains the metaphysical
differences between striped, speckled, and spotted, and explains that
Yaakov was able to change the underlying cause affecting the genetic
code. (Don't try this at home, kids - this is for professionals only.)


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