Volume 20 Number 75
                       Produced: Sun Jul 30 20:35:17 1995

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

2 Days of Yom Tob
         [Joey Mosseri]
Brushing Teeth on Shabbat
         [Saul Feldman]
Children in Shul
         [Carl Sherer]
         [Aleeza Esther Berger]
Davening in the Land of Israel
         [Elozor Preil]
Fasting on wedding day
         [Warren Burstein]
Looking for Cholent recipes
         [Philip T.]
Picture Taking at Weddings
         [Debra Fran Baker]
Pre-Fab Sukkah
         [Rick Dinitz]
Reason for Kipah
         [Dave Curwin]
Torah Script Font
         [Jack Stroh]
         [M. Linetsky]
Violence ??
         [Zvi Weiss]
Violence between Linetsky and Freda
         [M. Linetsky]
Wedding Issues
         [Hillel E. Markowitz]
Why the proof text in only one of tha "Ani Ma'mins"?
         [Warren Burstein]
Yechiel Naiman a"h - Shiva Location
         [Mike Gerver]


From: <JMOSSERI@...> (Joey Mosseri)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:55:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 2 Days of Yom Tob

 In Mail Jewish v20 n53 Mr. Eli Turkel asked about the practice of Jews
in Syria & Egypt regarding the 2nd day of Yom Tob.
 I can answer you that without a doubt 2 days of Yom Tob were held in
Egypt (Cairo & Alexandria), Syria (Aleppo & Damascus), and even in
Lebanon (Beirut) . In fact the few Jews who still live in these areas
observe 2 days.

Joey Mosseri


From: Saul Feldman <efeldman@...>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 14:14:10 EDT
Subject: Brushing Teeth on Shabbat

While I was sitting at the shabbos table my son told me that it is assur
to brush your teeth on shabbos ....despite the fact that I've been doing
this for yrs and its first time I've heard about it.  He brought up
issurim [prohibitions - Mod.] of whitening and sichah [smearing/rubbing
- Mod.] and I told him there is no intention of whitening its being done
for hygenic reasons to prevent tooth decay. He told me when he was in
eretz yisrael that a special tooth paste was made for shabbos. Is this
really neccessary and since the process of brushing teeth from my
limited perspective is not being done with even a chisha of doing the
aforementioned milachos so can one brush their teeth on shabbos or not


From: <adina@...> (Carl Sherer)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 23:55:46 IDT
Subject: Children in Shul

Regarding Alan Cooper's request for sources which discuss the presence
of small children in the synagogue, see Shulchan Aruch Orach Chaim 689:6
("It is a good custom to bring boys and girls under Bar Mitzva to hear
the Megilla"), but see the Biur Halacha there starting "Minhag Tov
Lehavi" where he limits this to children who are capable of behaving
properly :-)

-- Carl Sherer
	Adina and Carl Sherer
		You can reach us both at:


From: Aleeza Esther Berger <aeb21@...>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:28:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Coeducation

Betzalel Posy suggests that there is a correlation between coeducation
and "non-seriousness" of students, basing this on their lesser
preparation for advanced Talmud study.(As I think he noted), correlation
is not causation.  There is another variable here.  His observation has
far more to do with the curriculum than with the presence of members of
the opposite sex, in my opinion.
     Obviously, some of the boys (here I exclude girls) from high
schools where many hours a day (six? more?) are spent on Talmud will
have a better background in breadth of knowledge - Talmud knowledge. But
they might know less about much else: math, Nach, English and Hebrew
literature, Hebrew speaking.  As Betzalel says, the students from the
day schools manage to catch up.  So what's the problem with the day
school providing a well-rounded education, after which students are
prepared for a career choice based on, perhaps, which subject they liked
in high school? What about the students in the Talmud-intensive schools
who aren't good at Talmud (can people provide cases? I'm interested in
this question).  How do they survive through high school?

Aliza Berger


From: <EMPreil@...> (Elozor Preil)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 00:16:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Davening in the Land of Israel

Akiva Miller writes:
>  Standing in Jerusalem, he turns his face to the Temple, and heart to
> the Holy of Holies..." 
> On the words "turn his heart", the Mishna Brura (94:3) explains: "He
> should turn his heart toward them, even though it is impossible to face
> them."
> This is difficult to understand. Why is it impossible to face them? From
> anywhere in the world, if one faces the Holy of Holies, he will also be
> facing the Temple, Jerusalem, and the Land of Israel. 

I believe the meaning of the Mishna Berurah is that it is impossible
today to face the Temple and the Holy of Holies because, tragically,
they are not in existence at this time.  This interpretation would not
preclude facing NE at the Kotel (althiugh I have never seen anyone do

B' nechomas Tziyon Viyrushalayim,
Elozor Preil


From: <warren@...> (Warren Burstein)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:08:39 GMT
Subject: Fasting on wedding day

>On a tangent... I am reminded of R. Dovid Lifshitz zt"l's concern the
>day of our wedding. He kept on asking me if I were hungry, that I need
>not fast.  I reassured R. Dovid, a number of times, that I was far too
>hungry to eat.  He told me, "Fasting is a minhag, simchas choson vikalah
>is a d'oraisa [the happiness of groom and bride is a commandment from
>the Torah]".

Is this found anywhere in writing?  Although fasting does not make me so
miserable that I am unable to complete the fasts that are fixed on the
calendar, to say that fasting makes me hungry would be an

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From: <pwt@...> (Philip T.)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:48:08 -0500
Subject: Looking for Cholent recipes

I am trying to compile a list of cholent recipes and was hoping people
could e-mail me with their favorite recipes. I'm looking for meat, chicken
and veggie recipes. Both Ashkenai and Sephardi variations appreciated.
Also, recipes for anything that you put in the cholent such as kishke or
kneidlach are also appreciated. Please be as detailed as possible(i.e.
include method of cooking, size of pot or pan, and specific amounts
whenever possible). Please give any background material on the recipe as
well. Once I compile the list I will be making it available publicly, so if
for some reason you don't want your name mentioned, please specify.

Thanks a lot,


From: Debra Fran Baker <dfbaker@...>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:46:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Picture Taking at Weddings

At our wedding, we managed the pictures by taking a number before the
wedding, without worrying about me seeing the groom.  We'd already seen
each other that week anyway - we had to get our marriage license.  We
had a private bedecken, so we didn't have the smorgesboard before the
wedding.  Instead, we had it after the ceremony, to keep the guests
occupied while we finished the pictures.  They even brought in some
snacks for our wedding party.

I know this isn't the normal order of things, but our wedding was the
first Orthodox one we'd ever been to.  It worked out fine.

Debra Fran Baker                                      <dfbaker@...>


From: <dinitz@...> (Rick Dinitz)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 14:09:13 -0700
Subject: Pre-Fab Sukkah

 I'm collecting a resource list for pre-fab sukkah frames, construction
plans for the handy, etc.  Please email information to me, and I will
summarize to the list.

 Chodesh tov,


From: Dave Curwin <6524dcurw@...>
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 01:23:03 EDT
Subject: Reason for Kipah

I am familiar with the background in the gemara for a man covering
his head, but there are no clear reasons given. This is unlike
tzitzit, where the reason is fairly clear -- we look at the tzitzit
and we remember the mitzvot. So what answer is good to give to
goyim who ask "Why do you wear that thing on your head?" I don't 
like "the shechina is above", because it seems to place a physical
location on God, which is good to avoid in discussions with people
unfamiliar with Judaism. So what is a good answer?

David Curwin		With wife Toby, Shaliach to Boston, MA
904 Centre St.          List Owner of B-AKIVA on Jerusalem One
Newton, MA 02159                   <6524dcurw@...>
617 527 0977          Why are we here? "L'hafitz Tora V'Avoda"


From: Jack Stroh <jackst@...>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:30:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Torah Script Font

Does anybody know where I can get a Torah Sofer font which is Macintosh 


From: 81920562%<TAONODE@...> (M. Linetsky)
Date: Tue 11 Jul 1995 10:36 ET
Subject: Violence

In issue 42 Mrs. Hall writes that I said vandalism was only a
tradition. If she read my posting carefully she would notice that I was
only speaking of "senior cut-days". She further says that my excuse that
violence is caused due to confinement is a typical gangbanger excuse and
maintains that the students should have their rears (she didn't dare use
this word) put in jail.  Honestly, I do not think she has been following
the whole discussion. The violence I said was in response to our school
hiring a gentile principal. Did I justify it? My point was that it is
not the students that should be penalized for the wrongdoings of the
administration. Shtick on the other hand is caused by confinement, no
matter how much exercise may be available. Mrs.  Hall says that I am
wrong since astronauts and pilots go through prolonged periods in
confinement. I will not even bother|

From: Zvi Weiss <weissz@...>
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:45:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Violence ??

Mr. Linetsky appears to state that it is specifically from places where
the this sort of violence took place that we get "good rabbis" (my
term).  I would like to know if ANY major Rabbinical figures have ever
supported that notion.  Since most Poskim (decisors) seem to come from
Ner Israel, MTJ, Lakewood, Philadelphia,.... (I admit that this is not a
complete list) I would be most interested if ANY Roshei Yeshiva of the
above institutions ever tolerated that sort of thing.  Further, since my
own limited experience is being called into question, I would also
request that alumni of any of the above comment as to the level of
violence and mischief that was actually perpetrated against the school.



From: 81920562%<TAONODE@...> (M. Linetsky)
Date: Tue 25 Jul 1995 15:31 ET
Subject: Violence between Linetsky and Freda

Dear Freda:

You miss the point again. I said that the Rabbis produced from such
schools end up just as refined as in those where they sit in their
corners. This being the case you may ask your she'eloth to them. By the
way, thank you for you grammatical comment.

michael Linetksy


From: Hillel E. Markowitz <hem@...>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:53:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Wedding Issues

Rav Weinberg of Ner Yisrael has given a psak that the choson and kallah
may take the pictures together before the Chasuna.

In the past, people have actually taken formal pictures several weeks
before the wedding.  After all, the choson and kallah don't HAVE to take
the pictures together that night.

|  Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz |     Im ain ani li, mi li?      |
|   <H.E.Markowitz@...>   |   V'ahavta L'raiecha kamocha   |


From: <warren@...> (Warren Burstein)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:15:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Why the proof text in only one of tha "Ani Ma'mins"?

>In Rambam's 13 principles, as recorded in after Shacharis in most
>siddurim, one principle comes with a proof text (HaShem knows what kind
>of thoughts you are having, as it says....)

Those are not the Rambam's own words.  It's a later formulation (I
don't know who wrote it).

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From: <GERVER@...> (Mike Gerver)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 1:24:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Yechiel Naiman a"h - Shiva Location

Dr. Naiman's family will be sitting shiva at the home of his sister and
brother-in-law, Rose and Moe Weinberg, 7 Porat Street, Ramot 03,
Jerusalem, phone (area code 2) 864-483.

Mike Gerver, <gerver@...>


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