Volume 25 Number 05
Produced: Wed Oct 2 0:01:44 1996
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Calling priests "Father"
[Yitzchok Adlerstein]
Cohanim in Alrlington National Cemetery
[Shimmy Y Messing]
Esrogim (2)
[Stephen Phillips, Jerrold Landau]
Kosher Queries
[Art Kamlet]
Ledavid Hashem Ori in Mincha of Yom Kipur
[Mordy Gross]
Ledavid Hashem Ori Veyishi on Mincha Yom Kippur
[Jerrold Landau]
Meaning of the word Kadosh
[Micha Berger]
Ostrich in Leviticus 11:16?
[Alan Cooper]
R'tzei vimnuchateinu on a Yom Tov
[Stuart Friedman]
RAMBI citation search system
[Elhanan Adler]
Sunset times
[Micha Berger]
Swordfish Query
[Gershon Klavan]
Swordfish Scales
[Andy Goldfinger]
Tzitzis question
[Yehuda Poch]
Use of Rav
[Micha Berger]
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From: Yitzchok Adlerstein <yadler@...>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:41:45 -0700
Subject: Calling priests "Father"
Without commenting on the halachic issue of using the "Father" honorific
for a Catholic priest, the following observation might be interesting to
some of our readers. The use of "father" as a term of honor and
distinction may have been common in our circles before it became prevalent
in their's. "Abba" is attached frequently to the names of Amoraim; Rashi
in Chulin 38A explicitly states that Shmuel used it in addressing Rav as a
sign of honor.
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From: <shimmy@...> (Shimmy Y Messing)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:22:35 PST
Subject: Cohanim in Alrlington National Cemetery
Regarding Barry S. Banks question of cohanim in Alrlington National
cemetery, the halacha is that only the corpse of a jewish body renders a
cohen unpure. As far as I know, there are no jews buried in Arlington
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From: <stephenp@...> (Stephen Phillips)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 10:32 BST-1
Subject: Re: Esrogim
> From: <iii@...> (Jay Kaplowitz)
> Just saw an unusual item on Arutz Sheva (Sept. 19 edition). The Israel
> Citrus Export Council said that Israel would export 360,000 esrogim this
> year. That raises some interesting questions. Where else are esrogim
> grown? Has anyone ever seen data on the number of esrogim purchased in
> the US each year?
Here in London there are Esrogim from Morocco and Italy on sale.
Chag Same'ach.
Stephen Phillips.
<stephenp@...>
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From: <landau@...> (Jerrold Landau)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 09:15:10 EDT
Subject: Esrogim
Jay Kaplowitz asks where else are Esrogim grown aside from Israel. I
have used an Esrog from Morocco several times in the past. It had a
pale green colour, unlike the usual bright yellow we are used to from
the Israeli Esrogim, but the shape and symmetry were perfect, and there
were no blemishes. Apparently, there had been questions on these
Moroccan Esrogim with regards to their tradition of being from
non-grafted stock, but that has apparently been resolved in the past few
years by visits to the Morrocan groves by high ranking Israeli Rabbonim.
There are some small scale Esrog groves in California, which have been
started by saplings from Israeli Esrogim. The Greek Island of Corfu, in
the Adriatic near the Greek/Albanian border, has always been quite well
known for its Esrogim. I believe that Esrogim are also grown in Italy,
but I have not heard of them been exported to North America.
So as you can see, there are quite a few sources of Esrogim in the
world. I now always use an Israeli one, though. I guess it provides a
connection to the real source of our spirituality, even though I find
myself in chutz laaretz.
Chag Sameach, Jerrold Landau
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From: Art Kamlet <kamlet@...>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 02:12:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Kosher Queries
Arlene Mathes-Schaf <ajms@...> writes,
...
2. Vayikrah 11:16 Ostriches and the like are not kosher.
Perhaps; Amitai Halevi prepared a table of English translations of the
Lev 11 birds from several sources:
In particular, Koren translates owl instead of ostrich.
In any case, since birds require a mesorah -- tradition -- to be kosher,
they are not kosher.
From Amitai's bird table:
Hebrew Old JPS New JPS KJV Koren
------ ------- ------- --- -----
nesher great vulture eagle eagle eagle
peres bearded vulture vulture ossifrage bearded vulture
ozniyah ospray (sic!) black vulture ospray black vulture
da'ah kite kite vulture kite
ayah falcon falcon kite buzzard
`orev raven raven raven raven
bat-ya`anah ostrich ostrich owl owl
ta`hmas night-hawk nighthawk night hawk kestrel
sha`haf sea-mew sea gull cuckow (sic!) gull
netz hawk hawk hawk sparrow hawk
kos little owl little owl little owl little owl
shala`h cormorant cormorant cormorant fish owl
yanshuf great owl great owl great owl great owl
tinshemet horned owl white owl swan barn owl
qa'at pelican pelican pelican jackdaw
ra`ham carrion-vulture bustard gier eagle gier eagle
`hasidah stork stork stork stork
anafah heron heron heron heron
dukhifat hoopoe hoopoee lapwing hoopoe
Art Kamlet Columbus, Ohio <kamlet@...>
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From: <mordy_gross@...> (Mordy Gross)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:57:46 EDT
Subject: Ledavid Hashem Ori in Mincha of Yom Kipur
>Looking at several Machzorim, I found that except for one of them,
>Tehilat Hashem - Lubavitch, all others do not have Ledavid Hashem Ori
>Veyishi in Mincha of Yom Kipur. In my schul they say it, on Yom Kipur,
>only once. Does anyone know a documented reason?
The Sefard Artscroll Machzor has it at the end of mincha. You may have
been looking at an Ashkenaz Machzor, they say it at the end of Ma'ariv.
Mordy Gross
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From: <landau@...> (Jerrold Landau)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 09:42:42 EDT
Subject: Ledavid Hashem Ori Veyishi on Mincha Yom Kippur
One of the differences between Nussach Ashnkenaz and Nussach Sefard is
whether to say Ledavid Hashem Ori Veyishi at Mincha or Maariv. Ashkenaz
says it at maariv. Nussach Sefard officially says it at Mincha,
although many Nussach Sefard shuls say it at Maariv (even though it is
often printed in Siddurim/Machzorim at Mincha). The nussach followed by
chabad would definitely say it at Mincha.
Thus, it is always said twice a day. On Yom Kippur, it would either be
said after Maariv and after Shacharit, or after Shacharit or after
Mincha, depending on the nussach that one follows.
Jerrold Landau
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From: <micha@...> (Micha Berger)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:56:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Meaning of the word Kadosh
I would think that "kadosh" means dedicated for a purpose. In being
dedicated, it is seperated from something else, but the focus is
on what it is seperated /for/. This is why it usually is followed by
a lamid-prefix, meaning for: Kadosh Lashem (dedicated for G-d),
mekudeshes li (for me [the husband]).
It would also explain the declaration of the angels, "Kadosh, Kadosh,
Kadosh Hashem Tzivakos" (Holy, holy, holy is Hashem of the Forces(?)).
Because kadosh denotes seperateness, and commitment to a goal. G-d is the
Ultimate Telos (as well as being First Cause).
Also, since the Ultimate Telos is Hashem, it would make sense why kadosh with
no li-<whatever> means something related to Divine worship.
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From: Alan Cooper <amcooper@...>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:35:22 -0700
Subject: Ostrich in Leviticus 11:16?
According to Arlene Mathes-Schaf <ajms@...>:
>2. Vayikrah 11:16 Ostriches and the like are not kosher.
(1) Here is a case where halakha may not jibe with philology. Although
the Targum and Septuagint take the bat ha-ya'ana in this verse to be the
"ostrich," this identification is probably incorrect. The
characteristics of this creature noted elsewhere in Tanakh (Isa 13:21,
34:13, 43:20; Jer 50:39; Mic 1:8) do not correspond to behaviors of the
ostrich. The more likely identification is with some kind of owl--the
Eagle Owl or the Desert Owl. The ostrich is probably the ya'en (Lam
4:3) and the renanim (Job 39:13).
(2) I wonder what the poster means by "and the like." In addition to
the probability that no member of the order Struthinodae (to which the
ostrich belongs) is mentioned in Leviticus 11, none is mentioned
elsewhere in Tanakh either, except for the two references to the ostrich
noted above.
Alan Cooper
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From: Stuart Friedman <ak674@...>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:31:44 -0300
Subject: Re: R'tzei vimnuchateinu on a Yom Tov
In regard to the question of Elokeinue velokei avoteinu R'tzei
vimnuchateinu and its inclusion on a Yom Tov. There are of course
various opinions, however, it should be noted that this introduction is
tied to the words R'tze and not to kadshseinu
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From: Elhanan Adler <ELHANAN@...>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 6:54:02 +0200 (EET)
Subject: RE: RAMBI citation search system
Further to the RAMBI access question:
Several posters suggested telnetting to ALEPH.HUJI.AC.IL
This was the correct way in the past, however currently it is the only
computer in the Israel University Network running the old version of the
ALEPH software (with different command structure) and when you select
the RAMBI file it in effect does a further telnet from there to the
computer on which RAMBI resides (with a warning that you are traveling
between versions) - you are actually logged in to 2 computers.
It would be much more efficient to telnet directly to:
ram1.huji.ac.il
and then enter BASE RBI (or just BASE and follow the menus)
Hopefully, in a few months there will be a new ALEPH.HUJI.AC.IL with
the current version of ALEPH.
Elhanan
# Elhanan Adler #
# Coordinator, Israel Inter-University Library Network #
# Email: <elhanan@...> or elhanan@ram1.huji.ac.il #
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From: <micha@...> (Micha Berger)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:34:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sunset times
One little caveat. The US Naval observatory uses the center of the sun for
defining sunrise and sunset. We use the leading and trailing edges,
respectively.
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From: Gershon Klavan <klavan@...>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:36:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Swordfish Query
For a detailed explanation of why swordfish are not Kosher, Rabbi M.D.
Tendler has a few page explanation at the end of his work on Niddah
(don't ask me why it's there) "Pardes Rimonim".
Gershon Klavan
[Similar response from <Gideon_Miller@...> Mod]
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From: Andy Goldfinger <andy_goldfinger@...>
Date: 27 Sep 1996 10:57:08 -0400
Subject: Swordfish Scales
We have to be careful. It is true that swordfish have scales, just
as it is true that snakes have scales. But -- the Torah does not use
the word "sacles," it uses the Hebrew word "kaskeses [kaskeset]"
Although this word is usually translated as "scales," it is apparant
from discussions in the Talmud and Halachic literature the the word
kaskeses has a more limited meaning; it refers to a particular type of
scale, i.e. a subset of those things called scales in English. Thus,
and English speaker might become confused as to why Swordfish is not
kosher, but a person fully fluent in Biblical Hebrew would not be.
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From: Yehuda Poch <yehuda@...>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 00:59:46 -0400
Subject: Tzitzis question
I just put new strings on a pair of tzitzis. Do I need to put the old ones
in shaymos or can I just toss them out?
Chag Sameach.
Yehuda Poch
<yehuda@...>
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From: <micha@...> (Micha Berger)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:31:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Use of Rav
I don't think I made my intent clear. I didn't mean the actual
conjugation "Rav", as in the distinction between "Rav" and "Rebbi". I
was wondering of the origin of this usage for the root. (reish-beis-hei
maybe?)
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