Volume 25 Number 07
                       Produced: Thu Oct  3  5:48:15 1996

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Avraham Korman
         [Yizchak Kasdan]
Did Dovid Hamelech commit a sin?
         [Yussie Englander]
Elokeiinu V'elokei Avoseinu
         [Gershon Dubin]
Jews Buried in Arlington National Cemetery (4)
         [Mitchell Ackerson, Steven Edell, Kenneth H. Ryesky, Joshua W.
Ledavid Hashem Ori in Mincha of Yom Kipur
         [Dov Samet]
Nissan vs Tishrei (2)
         [Binyomin Segal, Micha Berger]
Nissan vs Tishrei - Hayom Harat Olam
         [Gilad J. Gevaryahu]
Sunset times (2)
         [Stuart Scharf, Hayim Hendeles]
         [Kenneth H. Ryesky]
Wisdom of Solomon
         [Michael Pitkowsky]


From: <IKasdan189@...> (Yizchak Kasdan)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:38:24 -0400
Subject: Avraham Korman

Does anyone know an Avraham Korman, who wrote a number of s'forim (e.g.,
"HaAvos V'Hashvatim; "Yehudi V'Artzo") over the last three decades?  I
was once told that he gave a shiur in Yeshivat Shalavim, but no longer
does.  According to the published s'forim, his last address was in Tel
Aviv, but that address apparently is out dated.  I am interested, in
particular, in obtaining some of his s'forim that are out of print,
specifically "Y'tzias Mitzraim U'Matan Torah" and "HaBriah V'Hamabul."
Any assistance is greatly appreciated.  Please e-mail at the address

Yizchak Kasdan  <ikasdan@...>  


From: <Jsph26@...> (Yussie Englander)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:24:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Did Dovid Hamelech commit a sin?

Regarding Joe Goldman and Gilad Gevaryahu who have brought up the
question of whether Dovid Hamelech sinned or not. Let me put in my
thoughts. If I am correct, I dont know how many, but Dovid Hamelech did
commit one aveirah that comes to mind. He didnt show proper respect for
another king. If you recall, When Shaul Hamelech was chasing Dovid in
order to kill him, he had chased Dovid into a cave. Unknowingly, Shaul
entered that cave and layed down to sleep. When he was asleep, Dovid cut
off a piece of his robe to prove to Shaul that he could have killed him,
but didnt. In that respect, Dovid did not show proper respect for Shaul,
who was the king at that time. It is said that because of this incident,
Dovid, for the rest of his life, would never feel warm, no matter how
many layers of clothing he had put on. I dont know the exact location in
Tanach this is found, but if I am worng about this, please let me know.
 Have a chag Kosher Vsemeach, and a Happy and Healthy and Prosperous New

 Yussie Englander


From: <gershon.dubin@...> (Gershon Dubin)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:27:36 PST
Subject: Re: Elokeiinu V'elokei Avoseinu

>various opinions, however, it should be noted that this introduction is
>tied to the words R'tze and not to kadshseinu
	See,  however,  the siddur of Rav Yaakov Emden,  who says that
this "tie" is a printing error.  He says that there is no inherent
connection and the words Elokeiinu V'elokei Avoseinu should precede
either Retze or Kadsheinu.


From: Mitchell Ackerson <mackerso@...>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 17:53:47 -0500
Subject: Jews Buried in Arlington National Cemetery

Shimmy Messing wrote that there would be no problem with a cohain going
to Arlington since as far as he knows there are no Jews buried there.
On the contrary there are quite a number of Jews buried there who have
served their nation well to include the recently deceased chief of Naval
Operations Jeremy Borda.  The Jewish War veterans of America would be
happy to assist you in figuring out and pointing out the graves of
prominent and not as prominent Jews buried there

  Rabbi Mitchell S Ackerson
  Chaplain (Major) US Army Reserve

From: Steven Edell <shatil@...>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:03:51 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Jews Buried in Arlington National Cemetery

There was an article a while ago in the Jerusalem Post about a veteran who
tracks down Jewish casualties from US wars.  He was standing in front of a
Jewish grave in ... Arlington.

Steven Edell, Computer Manager,  Shatil / New Israel Fund (Israel)
<steven@...> OR shatil@actcom.co.il
972-2-6723597  Fax: 972-2-6735149

[Article refered to by Michael Pitkowsky <pitab@...> as
well. Mod]

From: <KHRESQ@...> (Kenneth H. Ryesky)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:21:22 -0400
Subject: Jews Buried in Arlington National Cemetery

Re Shimmy Messing's comment in Issue 25:05:

There are indeed Jews buried in Arlington National Cemetery (and indeed,
in many if not most National Cemeteries).  Without leaving my computer
terminal to do research, two who come to my own mind immediately are:

   1.  The network news commentator Peter Lisagor.
   2.  My wife's uncle, Col. William Goldenzweig (whose government-issue
grave marker actually features Hebrew lettering).

I'm sure that there are more.

  -- Kenneth H. Ryesky, Esq.
<khresq@...> or khrqc@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu

[Other people identifying seeing Jewish graves in Arlington include:

Chaim Shapiro <ucshapir@...>
Sheldon Meth <Sheldon_Meth@...>


From: Joshua W. Burton <jburton@...>
Date: Wed,  2 Oct 96 09:21:15 -0500
Subject: Jews Buried in Arlington National Cemetery

This is an utterly astonishing statement to make without documentation.
Over thirty thousand Americans are buried on the grounds of General
Lee's old mansion, including soldiers from every war the US has
fought from the Revolution through the Gulf War.  Two thousand men
from Bull Run and the retreat to the Rappahannock lie unidentified
under the tomb of the Unknown Soldier.  On what conceivable grounds
may we assume that not a single one of these men was a Jew?

Had Mr. Messing said that `as far as I know, there are no redheads
in the state of Nebraska,' the audacity of the unsupported assertion
would still be notable.  But the actual remark he made, tending
as it does to dishonor the memory of Jewish American fallen (of
whom there are at least some from WW2 at ANC---I have seen the
Magen Davids on their headstones), amounts in my view to a hillul
ha-Shem.  It also plays into the anti-Semitic myth that American
Jews have, as a group, avoided their country's call.  Finally, it
just isn't so.

Thirty days hath September. |==================================================
The other ones I can't      |  Joshua W. Burton  (847)677-3902  <jburton@...>
  remember.   -- Anonymous  |==================================================


From: Dov Samet <SAMET@...>
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 20:39:04 IST
Subject: Ledavid Hashem Ori in Mincha of Yom Kipur

Thanks for Mordy Gross and Jerrold Landau for trying to explain the
omission of Ledavid hashem Ori Veyishi in mincha of Yom Kipur in
differences between nusach Ashkenaz and Nusach Sfarad. I was refering,
of course, to the omission of this mizmor in machzorim Nusach sfarad, in
which it should appear in Mincha.

Here are, for example, three machzorim for Yom Kipur, MUSACH SFARAD,
which have the mizmor only once - in Shacharit.

1. Machzor RABA, "Eshkol" printed in Israel.
2. Machzor Rinat Israel, Edited by Shlomo Tal, Israel, 1979.
3. Machzor Am Israel, "Sinai", Israel.

I wonder if there are shuls, other then mine, in which Ledavid Hashem is
said in Yom Kipur only once.


From: <bsegal@...> (Binyomin Segal)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:16:00 -0500
Subject: Nissan vs Tishrei

Congratulations to rick turkel. great minds think alike. he sees a
contradiction dealt with by tosfos.

in rosh hashana there is on ongoing disagreement when the world was
created tishrei (actually the last 5 days of elul and rosh hashana as
friday) or nissan (the first 7 days of nissan.

tosfos (27a) points to the seeming contradiction in our behavior and
says that in tishrei hashem planned creation in thought and in nissan He
did it.  (whatever that means)

additionaly i'd point out that "haras" (or harat) generaly means
conceived - as in rosh hashana was the day of te worlds conception - not

hope that helps


From: <micha@...> (Micha Berger)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:59:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Nissan vs Tishrei

We appear to be taking both sides of the machlokes (dispute) as to when
the world was created: in Nissan or right before Tishrei. For example,
kiddush hachahmah (sanctification of the sun, said at dawn once in 28
years) is in Nissan, on the assumption that that is the sun's day of
creation. Yet, we say "hayom haras olam", and talk about 1 Tishrei as
the anniversary of creation in common parlance.

One out is to note that "haras" means conception, and not birth.
Possibly there was a 6 month interval between the creation of the
Ramban's "hyle" and the 6 days of creation.

Or, perhaps, it's yet another proof that the creation story was not
taken literally by Chazal. This would make the "date" of creation is a
symbol and not a reference to a historical event. If we are only talking
symbols, we could use conflicting symbols as the need arises. However,
it's harder to picture taking both sides on a historical debate.

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From: <Gevaryahu@...> (Gilad J. Gevaryahu)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:30:09 -0400
Subject: Nissan vs Tishrei - Hayom Harat Olam

Rick Turkel in MJ 25#06 asks how to reconcile the prayer "Hayom harat
olam" which suggest the creation of the world in Tishrei vs. Nisan.

"Hayom harat olam" is commonly translated as "This day the world was
called into existence". The subject is the personal world of each
individual, as the next sentence of the piyut indicates. Thus it is not
the creation of the global world, but the determination of the future
world for each one of us.

Gilad J. Gevaryahu


From: <ss@...> (Stuart Scharf)
Date: Wed,  2 Oct 96 11:54:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Sunset times

Mica Berger states:

> One little caveat. The US Naval observatory uses the center of the sun for
> defining sunrise and sunset. We use the leading and trailing edges,
> respectively.

This is not true, the Naval Obsevatory page states: "Define sunrise as
the time when the apparent altitude (H) of the upper limb of the Sun
will be -50 arc minutes (34' for refraction + 16' for semidiameter)"

Sunrise and Sunset are defined for the apparant leading and trailing edges.

Stuart Scharf

From: <hayim@...> (Hayim Hendeles)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:10:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Sunset times

Fortunately, this is not correct. The US Naval Observatory defines
sunrise/sunset as when the upper limb of the sun touches the horizon.
To quote form their web page:

	Sunrise and sunset. For computational purposes, sunrise or
	sunset is defined to occur when the geometric zenith distance
	of center of the Sun is 90.8333 degrees. That is, the center of
	the Sun is geometrically 50 arcminutes below a horizontal
	plane. For an observer at sea level with a level, unobstructed
	horizon, under average atmospheric conditions, the upper limb
	of the Sun will then appear to be tangent to the horizon. The
	50-arcminute geometric depression of the Sun's center used for
	the computations is obtained by adding the average apparent
	radius of the Sun (16 arcminutes) to the average amount of
	atmospheric refraction at the horizon (34 arcminutes).

Hayim Hendeles


From: <KHRESQ@...> (Kenneth H. Ryesky)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:23:23 -0400
Subject: Ultra-Orthodox

The term "ultra-Orthodox" seems to be in use again (see, e.g., Jacob
Levenstein, Mail-Jewish 25:2).  Just what does "Ultra-Orthodox" mean?

Does it refer to those who wear black hats?  Following the Rabin
assassination, Yigal Amir, the alleged perpetuator, was described in
many American and secular Jewish news media as "Ultra-Orthodox", and he
seems to wear not a black hat but a knit kippah.

Many of those who use the term "ultra-orthodox" generally do so with
disdain for Jews more religious than themselves.

Query: Why is it that whenever a Jew who is totally nonobservant makes
the news, he/she is never referred to as being "Infra-Reform"?

Kenneth H. Ryesky, Esq.
<khresq@...> or khrqc@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu


From: Michael Pitkowsky <pitab@...>
Date: Wed,  2 Oct 96 18:10:51 PDT
Subject: Wisdom of Solomon

According to the introduction in the New Oxford Annotated Bible the
Wisdom of Solomon was written in the latter part of the first century

Name: Michael Menahem Pitkowsky
E-mail: <pitab@...>
WWW:  http://www.netvision.net.il/php/pitab/


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