Volume 25 Number 87
                      Produced: Tue Jan 28 20:39:26 1997

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Calculating the weekly parsha
         [Yaakov Glick]
Hashem making couples
         [Jack Stroh]
Holy Minhagim
         [Elanit Z. Rothschild]
Neta Revai (2)
         [Menashe Elyashiv, Lon Eisenberg]
Opening Plastic Bottle Caps on Shabbat (4)
         [Yosef Dweck, Gershon Klavan, Steven M Oppenheimer, Yitzchok
Shale Sheedes
         [Chaim Wasserman]
Shorshei Minhag Ashkenaz
         [Marcus Weinberger]
Sources for Learning Aggadata
         [Avraham Husarsky]
Special Favor
         [Jacob Richman]
Standing/sitting for kiddush
         [Barry S. Bank]
Standing/Sitting for Kiddush
         [Yitzchak Kasdan]
         [Zvi Weiss]
Throwing Candy
         [Lon Eisenberg]
Under the Chuppah
         [Saul Mashbaum]


From: <yakov@...> (Yaakov Glick)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 18:15:50 PST
Subject: Calculating the weekly parsha

A few days ago (Jan. 24th) I sent the name of a book for calculating the
Parsha: Shaarim La'Luach Ha'Ivri". I gave the Israeli phone number of
the author.(09-8824738). You can now add the address.

The author does not have a distributor outside of Israel. But his Address 
Rav Sar-Shalom
Ben-Avi 77

Take Care


From: <jackst@...> (Jack Stroh)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:00:30 -0500
Subject: Hashem making couples

What is the source in the gemara that Hashem now spends his time making
Shiduchim? Thanks.


From: <Ezr0th@...> (Elanit Z. Rothschild)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:26:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Holy Minhagim

In a message dated 97-01-26 09:40:10 EST, Rabbi Chaim Wasserman writes:

<< What incredible creativity!! For those who do throw candy at chattanim
 and bnai mitzvah what happens with the sefer Torah at that time? Does it
 get pelted also in the wild melee?

 It is for this reason that in my shul I have insisted on throwing of
 candy after the Torah is returned to the aron hakodeh.  >>

Good idea.  When my brother was bar-mitzvahed (they do it at bar
mitzvahs too!) the Rabbi and gabbai of my shul just covered the Sefer
Torah with a Talit and because of the risk of someone getting hurt from
being hit with hard candies, my mother bought those soft, mushy Sunkist
candies instead.

Elanit Z. Rothschild


From: Menashe Elyashiv <elyashm@...>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:18:45 +0200 (WET)
Subject: Neta Revai

Neta Revai has the same law as Maaser Sheni i.e. it is redeemed on a
"shave pruta". Siddurim printed in Eretz Israel have the nusah of what to
say. By the way, this year is Maaser Ani year and there are some Poskim
who hold that the Maaser should be given to the poor.
  Menashe Elyashiv Bar Ilan Lib of Jewish Studies 

From: Lon Eisenberg <eisenbrg@...>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:17:56 +0000
Subject: Neta Revai

I believe that even outside Israel, 4th year fruit is redeemed.  The
standard wording used when separating terumoth and ma`asseroth (tithes)
includes wording for redeeming the neta` reva`i (using the same coin
that is used for the ma`asser sheni).  I suppose outside Israel, you
could limit the wording to that portion (since you are not dealing with
terumoth and ma`aseroth).

After you redeem them, you can eat them.  It would not be permitted to
destroy them (bal tashhith) and it seems a waste to just leave them

Lon Eisenberg   Motorola Israel, Ltd.  Phone:+972 3 5658422 Fax:+972 3 5658345


From: <JDST156@...> (Yosef Dweck)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 03:36:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Opening Plastic Bottle Caps on Shabbat

[Some editing done by Mod to incorporate a clarification sent in by
author of posting. Mod.]

Concerning the Question about Opening Bottle Caps on Shabbat:

Harav Ovadia Yosef Shlit"a has an extensive teshuvah on that very issue
in Yehaveh Da'at, Siman Mem Bet, beginning on page: Kuf Nun Tet. As for
the request on the psak of Rav Shlomo Zalman Z"l Can be found in Shmirat
Shabbat Kehilchata Perek Vav, Se'if Alef, Page: Mem Vav . Rav Shlomo
Zalman's psak was that it's asur if after opening the cap of the bottle
you leave the little ring on the bottle that was connected to the cap
prior to opening.  Harav Ovadia however disagrees with that psak. Rav
Shlomo Zalman's reason for prohibiting, was because once you open the
cap and leave that ring on, you make the cap a full fledged "kli' or
vessel, for now one can use the cap to close the bottle regularly and
the cap is able to be used as a special "kli" to close the bottle. While
Harav Ovadiah disagreed with this reasoning since once the bottle cap
was placed on to the bottle for covering, it has the status of a "kli"
and no new "kli" is made upon opening the bottle.  He nevertheless ends
off his psak saying that on the better side, one should open the bottles
before Shabbat, but if one is found w/ a closed bottle on shabbat he may
rely on the above svarah and open it. I am only bringing condensed
summaries of the actual teshuvot. It is quite necessary however, for
someone interested in the halacha to personally look up the
afformentioned gedolei Yisrael in the actual text I have sited their
whereabouts above.

Bebirkat Hatorah velomdeha,
Yosef Dweck

From: Gershon Klavan <klavan@...>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:33:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Opening Plastic Bottle Caps on Shabbat

Rav Yosef(?) Rubin of Har Nof, ( a known ben-bayit of Rav Shlomo Zalman
ZT"L - He has generally been considered a reliable source of psakim of
Rav Auerbach) wrote a teshuva printed in Hamoriah (approximately
Cheshvan 5752) differentiating between metal and plastic bottle caps.

The basic difference comes down to how the bottle cap is created.  In
Israel, most metal bottle caps are stamped directly on to the bottle
from a metal disk, hence opening the bottle actually creates the cap.
By contrast, the plastic caps are created in advance and only then
clamped (under pressure) to the bottles.

Gershon Klavan

[Same explanation given also by:
From: Bracha Waintman <yu167354@...>	Mod.]

From: <oppy2@...> (Steven M Oppenheimer)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:29:53 EST
Subject: Opening Plastic Bottle Caps on Shabbat

Yussie Englander asks regarding the permissibility of opening plastic
bottle caps on Shabbat.  He specifically wants to know about a heter
(permissive ruling) by HaRav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, zt"l.  

There was quite a lengthy discussion regarding this topic a few weeks
ago in MJ, but it is worthwhile clarifying this question.  While there
are poskim who do not permit opening any bottle caps on Shabbat because
of the creation of a ring as a result of the opening of the container,
there are many poskim who do allow opening bottle caps (metal and
plastic) on Shabbat because they claim that this is the way the cap was
made and nothing new (i.e. the ring) has been formed.

 Rav Auerbach, zt"l did not permit the opening of metal bottle caps on
Shabbat..  He did, however, permit the opening of plastic bottle caps
because they are manufactured differently than their metal counterparts. 
It is possible to remove them from the bottle without causing a ring to
form.  Therefore, even if one opened that type of bottle and the ring
came off, it would be permitted. When asked whether it was permitted to
tell Yeshiva students who ask about opening bottles with plastic caps,
Rav Auerbach, zt"l answered in the affirmative and stated that he would
tell those that would ask that it is permitted.  Rav Auerbach's responses
to theses questions may be found in the sefer  Me'Or HaShabbat by Rabbi
Moshe Yadler ( pages 477 - 483, 519).    Rav Auerbach, zt"l specifically
referred to Tempo brand soda (soft drink) bottles.

I hope this clarification sheds some light on your question.

Steven Oppenheimer, D.D.S.

From: Yitzchok Adlerstein <yadler@...>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:01:34 -0800
Subject: RE: Opening Plastic Bottle Caps on Shabbat

There are no coincidences in this world.  It just so happens that Rav
Doniel Neustadt's current weekly halacha column deals with this very
 (To those of you who do not know Rav Neustadt, he is the editor of Rav
Yaakov Kaminetsky's work on Chumash "Emes L'Yaakov."  Perhaps the fact
that he is married to Rav Yaakov's granddaughter in not irrelevant.
IMHO, his weekly halacha mailing is one of the best on the Net.  You can
find subscription information to it through Project Genesis at


From: <Chaimwass@...> (Chaim Wasserman)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:16:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Shale Sheedes

In mj 25;84 Les Train writes about << Shale Sheedes >>

Anyone around who has the time to make some insightful morphological
comments concerning the phrase? In which dictionary can I find it

chaim wasserman


From: Marcus Weinberger <marcus.weinberger@...>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:43:21 -0800
Subject: Shorshei Minhag Ashkenaz

Shlomo Godick wrote:
> Do you have any idea how I can acquire this book in Israel?
> Thanks for any help you can give me. 

  Rav Hamburger lives in Bnei Braq not Toronto.  His phone no.is
03-570-0783.  His brother here in Toronto suggests you contact him 
directly for the book.

Kol tuv      Marcus Weinberger


From: <hoozy@...> (Avraham Husarsky)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 18:37:04 PST
Subject: RE: Sources for Learning Aggadata

you might want to try Menorat Hamaor, a sefer by the Ri Abuhav (late
rishon).  it is basically his attempt to do for aggadata what mishneh
torah was for the halchic sections of the gemara.  use the index to
check where your daf is quoted and then you can see the text in a
topical context along with other aggadic material on the same topic.


From: Jacob Richman <jrichman@...>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:27:28 +0000
Subject: Re: Special Favor

Thanks everyone. Here is a update regarding my friend's father.

I would like to thank all those who said prayers and gave tzedaka for
my father's good health. He came home last Monday after quadruple
bypass at Maimonides Medical Center. At present he is still weak, but
day by day bezrat Hashem he is feeling stronger. I pray in the zechut
of all those good people who showed concern for my father Mordecai ben
Rachel and the sick of Am Yisrael should have a Refuah Shelemah.
Regards and thanks again 


From: <bsbank@...> (Barry S. Bank)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 06:49:56 EST
Subject: Standing/sitting for kiddush

Carl Singer <CARLSINGER@...> in Vol.25, #83 wrote: 

 "... when a guest in someone else's home - I do as they do -- stand /
sit / or both.  This seems socially most acceptable and courteous.

On rare occasion I've had a guest in my home who has made it a point 
to note that their minhag is different than mine and acted accordingly 
(in my case, stood while I sat.)"

I agree that this seems discourteous and would make one feel
uncomfortable whether guest or host.

In an attempt to avoid the discourtesy to my host and discomfort for
both of us, I ask my host what his custom is.  If it's not the same as
mine I generally will ask not to be yotseh on his Kiddush, but to recite
Kiddush my own.  That way I follow his custom while he is reciting
Kiddush and my own when I recite it.  I think this is a reasonably good

From: <IKasdan189@...> (Yitzchak Kasdan)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:45:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Standing/Sitting for Kiddush

Regading standing/sitting for Kiddush, see Rabbi Frand's tape #42 on
Pars.  Yisro Sh'mos I entitled: "Kiddush:To Sit Or Not To Sit."


From: Zvi Weiss <weissz@...>
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:35:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Tefilla

I do not believe that ANY sort of proof can be brought from Dinah (and
Leah's Tefilla for a gender change) since the Gemara in Berachot
discusses the matter and concludes that it either involved specific
miraculous event(s) or that the gender was somehow non-determinate
because both male and female were "mazriah" (literally: "seeded")
simultaneously.  (This does not even address the approach cited that
Dinah was actually CONCEIVED by Rachel and Yosef was CONCEIVED by Leah
and as a result of the Tefilla, the two embryos were switched between



From: Lon Eisenberg <eisenbrg@...>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:05:01 +0000
Subject: Throwing Candy

IMHO, this is a terrible custom.  It seems totally inappropriate for
shul behavior (who invented this custom?).

If people really have the urge to through candy, why can't this practice
be moved to the time of the qiddush (when the bar mizwah or groom
finishes saying his devar Torah).

Lon Eisenberg   Motorola Israel, Ltd.  Phone:+972 3 5658422 Fax:+972 3 5658345


From: <mshalom@...> (Saul Mashbaum)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:15:26 GMT-2
Subject: Under the Chuppah

My daughter Yocheved was married last Wednesday night (leil Tu B'Shvat).
Yocheved offered prayers for a great number of people before the
chuppah, as this is traditionally a propitious time for prayer.  I
myself also offered prayers for the ill under the chuppah, as I stood by
the bride.

It occurs to me that I do not know the source of this practice.  Can
MJ'ers point out a Rabbinic source for prayers before and under the
chuppah? Also, is the 'special' nature of this prayer restricted to the
bride and groom, or does it extend to their families?

May my prayers, and the prayers of my daughter the bride, be answered

Saul Mashbaum


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