Volume 36 Number 13
                 Produced: Sun Mar 24  7:59:57 US/Eastern 2002

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Administrivia - Sedar Addition from the Bostoner Rebbe
         [Avi Feldblum]
Beis Medrash Harav Shmuel Yaakov
         [Yosef Gavriel and Shoshanah M. Bechhofer]
Calendrical stuff (was: Kitniyot)
         [Art Werschulz]
Day after Pesach -  Shabbat (2)
         [abagabai, Batya Medad]
Kitniyos (5)
         [David Charlap, Zev Sero, Michael Appel, Rose Landowne, Tabory
Nittel Night
         [Michael Kahn]
Pesach on Thrusday night
         [Chaim Sacknovitz]


From: Avi Feldblum <mljewish@...>
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:34:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Administrivia - Sedar Addition from the Bostoner Rebbe

The Bostoner Rebbe Shlita, Speaks on Israel

In view of the horrific condition with which we are presently faced, the
Bostoner Rebbe, Shlita, suggests that everyone add a special prayer for
our brethren in Israel during the Seder after reciting "V'he she'amda"
following "in every generation our enemies aim to annihilate us but
Hashem rescues us from their hands." After that, recite the "Av
HaRachamim" which we say upon taking out the Torah.  In that suggested
prayer, translated below, we say:

Hashem have compassion on K'lal Yisroel and remember Your Covenant with
the Patriarchs.  May Ribono Shel Olam have mercy on His People and
rescue us from hard times.  Graciously make us an eternal remnant and
fulfill our requests for the safety and welfare of the Jews residing in
the Holy Land, including our sons and daughters now living in Israel.

Avi Feldblum
mail-jewish Moderator


From: Yosef Gavriel and Shoshanah M. Bechhofer
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:25:22 -0500
Subject: Beis Medrash Harav Shmuel Yaakov

[Rabbi Bechhofer has been a member of the list for many years. Welcome
to the East coast and our wishes for the best of luck with your new
endevour! Avi Feldblum]

Beis Medrash Harav Shmuel Yaakov

The IDT Center for Torah and Technology
Newark, NJ

Professional Training
in an exemplary
Torah Environment

Our Beis Medrash, an affiliate of the IDT Corporation and Touro College, 
is designed for serious students who want to continue learning in a 
yeshiva environment and to prepare for their careers.
  This is an extraordinary opportunity for talmidim to acquire the tools 
 and skills for life-long growth and development!
Our rabbeim are dedicated to achieving meaningful personal relationships 
with their talmidim, so as to provide them with the tools for current and 
lifelong growth in Avodas Hashem. We have learning curricula from classic 
yeshiva iyun to comprehensive Hashkafa, for each talmid according to his 
inclinations and aspirations.
Our location, in the heart of the IDT corporate headquarters, with state 
of the art facilities for instruction and review, allow our talmidim to 
observe and interact with role models who integrate their careers with 
their Avodas Hashem.
Our program provides learning on all levels, and is under the guidance of 
leading Roshei Yeshiva.
Career options include either: Courses in Computer Concepts, Applications 
and Technical Support; Comprehensive training in Networking (our alumni 
have achieved the highest grades in certification exams); or, a complete 
curriculum leading to a degree in Business Administration (B.B.A.) through 
our affiliation with Touro College.

Morning Seder

8:00:           Minyan (optional), and Breakfast
9:15:           Mussar Va'ad
9:30:           Seder
11:00:          Gemara Shiur
11:45:          Second Shiur (Bekiyus, Halacha, Chumash, or Yedi'os)

Afternoon Schedule

12:30:  Lunch, Optional Shiur
1:15:           Hashkafa Shiur
1:45:           Mincha
2:00:           Afternoon Classes

Thursday afternoons and Friday mornings, classes are held at Touro College 
facilities in New York. Business majors attend Touro one additional 
afternoon a week.

IDT gym and pool facilities are available for our use after class.

Optional Night Seder in Monsey

Rabbi Simcha Weinberg, the founder and Rosh Ha'Yeshiva of Beis Medrash 
Harav Shmuel Yaakov, son of Ha'Ga'on Ha'Rav Shmuel Yaakov Weinberg zt"l, 
and grandson of Ha'Ga'on Ha'Rav Yaakov Yitzchok Ruderman zt"l the Roshei 
Ha'Yeshiva of Yeshiva Ner Yisroel in Baltimore, has made the Slabodka 
Mussar perspective of his illustrious forbears - the quest for personal 
excellence based on every individual's potential, strength, and 
aspirations - the basis of our program. A rich background in both rabbonus 
and the corporate world gives Rabbi Weinberg the rare capacity to enable 
talmidim to achieve growth in Avodas Hashem across the entire range of 
their endeavors.

Rabbi Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer, the Rosh Yeshiva, was formerly a Rosh 
Kollel at Beis HaMidrash LaTorah in Skokie. He has taught shiurim in 
Bavli, Yerushalmi, Tanach, Halacha and Machashava for many years. Rabbi 
Bechhofer has authored many essays and several seforim, including the 
Bigdei Shesh on Bava Basra, The Contemporary Eruv (English) and a 
forthcoming volume on Sefer Shoftim based on the works of Reb Tzadok 
HaKohen of Lublin. He and his family currently reside in Monsey.

Rabbi Mordechai Cohen learnt for many years in Kollel in Lakewood, where 
he continues to live with his family. Rabbi Cohen came to Lakewood after 
learning in Long Beach and in Brisk in Yerushalayim. He is a graduate of 
Torah U'Mesorah's Aish Dos Teacher Training Program. Rabbi Cohen was the 
first Rebbe at Beis Medrash Harav Shmuel Yaakov, teaching in the program's 
first half-year of existence.

Rabbi Yosef Feinstein is a long time and very experienced Rebbe, with 
expertise in dealing with students on all levels and from all backgrounds. 
He lived for several years in Eretz Yisroel, where he became close to the 
Kretzniver Rebbe, shlita. Rabbi Feinstein is a chosid of the rebbe, who 
has imbued him with both a Chassidic perspective and Chassidic warmth. He 
and his family live in Brooklyn.

Rabbi Yisroel Ciner is the most recent addition to our staff. An alumnus 
of Yeshivas Ner Yisroel, Rabbi Ciner is renowned for his Divrei Torah that 
have achieved worldwide acclaim on the Internet. Rabbi Ciner has been an 
outstanding Rebbe at Yeshivas Nevei Tzion in Telshe Stone for many years, 
and we are very excited that he will now bring his depth and warmth to 

Rabbi Avraham Goldhar and Reb Shimmi Globman also serve as Rabbeim in our 
program.  Rabbi Goldhar teaches a unique system of Yedi'as ha'Torah to 
interested talmidim. Reb Shimmi assists talmidim who benefit from 
individualized assistance and concern. Rabbi Avi Weinberg is our Sho'el 
u'Meishiv. The director of our professional training, Reb Yisroel Hecht, 
is a gifted educator and talmid chochom. Several of our instructors are 
outstanding graduates of our program. Administrator, Rabbi Simcha Green - 
with rich experience in many capacities in the world of Chinuch completes 
our staff.

For more information or for an application:
Please contact the Rosh Yeshiva or the office:

Rabbi Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer
845.354.3563 or 973.438.3641

Beis Medrash Harav Shmuel Yaakov
The IDT Center for Torah and Technology
520 Broad St.
Newark, NJ 07102
Barry Wexler, Educational Director
tel 973.438.3680 fax 973.438.1415


From: Art Werschulz <agw@...>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:04:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Calendrical stuff (was: Kitniyot)


Frank Reiss <freiss47@...> writes:
> I was wondering, if Pessach started on a Thurs. night, it would end
> Fri night, so for that Shabbos it's no longer Pessach. Could one eat
> Kitniyos then? If so, how did you store the Kitniyos? Were they not
> sold together with the Chometz? It would have to be a prepared food
> or dry package. Has this ever occurred?

This cannot happen with the current calendrical setup.  That's a good
thing, because if Pessach were to start on a Thursday night (i.e., if
the first day of Pessach were to be a Friday), then Shavuot would have
to fall out on Shabbat, which means that we wouldn't be able to have
freshly cooked blintzes.  :-)

More seriously ...

If the first day of Pessach were to be a Friday, then the next Rosh
Hashanah would fall out on a Sunday.  There's a rule ("lo ad'u rosh"),
which is a mnemonic that tells us that RH can't fall on the first,
fourth, or sixth day of week (these numbers being represented by the
Hebrew letters aleph, dalet, vav, whence the acronym "ad'u").  Hence RH
can't be on a Sunday.

Why not?  If RH were to fall out on a Sunday, then Hoshanah Rabbah
would fall out on a Shabbat, and we wouldn't be able to do the

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From: abagabai <abagabai@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:56:23 -0500
Subject: RE: Day after Pesach -  Shabbat

You most likely would not be able to eat the chametz on Shabbos since
you can not do the buying back on Shabbos.

As you said, the 1st days of Pesach can not fall on Friday - Shabbos.

From: Batya Medad <ybmedad@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 05:48:32 +0200
Subject: Day after Pesach -  Shabbat

After 31 years in Israel, we're pro's.  Kitniyot can be eaten.  One of
the old family "jokes" is about how many kitniyot foods were
unintentionally bought or given to us over Pesach, especially before the
labels included that valuable information.  We would just put it aside
until Shabbat.  Chametz is a totally different situation.  1- The
breaking of the sale with the non-Jew can't take place of Shabbbat, so
one waits the usual time after Shabbat to re-take possession.  2- No
cooking on Shabbat, so new chametz can't be produced.

If you really want to get theoretical, if a goy will give you kosher
chametz on Shabbat....  What's the point?  Is one more day of Pesach
food that awful?



From: David Charlap <shamino@...>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:38:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Kitniyos

There is no prohibition against owning or deriving benefit from kitniot
on Pesach.  The ban is only against eating them.  Therefore, there is no
need to have sold them.

-- David

From: Zev Sero <zev.sero@...>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:43:36 -0500
Subject: RE: Kitniyos

This can never happen, because if it did the following Hoshana Rabba
would be on Shabbat, and we would not be able to bang the hoshanot.
To prevent such a thing from happening, whenever Hoshana Rabba should
be on Shabbat a day is added to the previous Marchshvan, pushing the
whole year a day forward.

However, the situation you describe does happen regularly in Eretz
Yisrael, when the 7th day of Pesach is on a Friday, leaving people on
Shabbat/Isru Chag with no chametz available.

> Could one eat Kitniyos then? If so, how did you store the Kitniyos?
> Were they not sold together with the Chometz?

No, why would they be?  There's no prohibition on owning kitniyot.
What's more, there's probably grounds to allow cooking kitniyot on
Friday, in case the famous unexpected guests for whom we are officially
preparing are Sefardim.

Zev Sero                Programming is an art form that fights back.

From: Michael Appel <myappel@...>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:42:53 -0500
Subject: Kitniyos

Pesach cannot start on Thursday night. Your question however is relevant
in the case of Pesach starting on Friday night (which does happen) because
in Israel, Pesach ends as Shabbos begins.

Michael Appel
<myappel@...> - email
(201) 508-1555 x1085 - voicemail/fax

From: <ROSELANDOW@...> (Rose Landowne)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:23:47 EST
Subject: Re: Kitniyos

In Israel you can buy kosher l'pesach kitniot. Then you can eat it on
the shabbat after pesach . I think, however, that there is a problem
with using it on your pesach kelim if you do not eat kitniot on pesach.  

Rose Landowne

From: Tabory Ephraim <tabore@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:16:05 +0200
Subject: Re: Kitniyos

> Shmuel Himelstein wrote (about Kitniyot) 
>Anecdotally, our oldest grandson was born in Israel during the Seder,
>and it was Shabbat. ... Rabbanim [said] ...there was no Issur
>... storing Kitniyos during Pesach ... Consequently, during Chol
>Hamo'ed we bought ...products marked "Only for those who eat Kitniyos,"
>which we served on the eighth day - and these were consumed by all the
>invited guests without any demurrer.

I had the pleasure of being at the celebration. Not only did we eat the
kitniyot without demurrer but it was also so much better than the marur
of the first night!  (And happy birthday to your grandson!)


From: Michael Kahn <mi_kahn@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:21:37 -0500
Subject: Nittel Night

Since we are discussing the Gregorian calendar, and how the Russians
adopted it as late as the 20th century, I thought i'd add an interesting
fact. There are Chassidim who to this day observe the minhag of Nittel
night, not to learn Torah on Xmas Eve, on January 6th, being that that
is the old Russian date for Xmas.


From: Chaim Sacknovitz <sacknovitz@...>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:36:35 -0500
Subject: Pesach on Thrusday night

Re: Frank Reiss's question about Kitniyot.  Firstly, the first day
Pesach cannot fall on Thursday night (Friday) according to our present
calendar.  Secondly, Kitnioyt are not Chometz.  Therefore, there is not
reason to sell them.  One may own kitniyot and even use kitniyot but our
(Ashkenazim) practice is not to eat them (or their immediate


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