Volume 52 Number 44
                    Produced: Sun Jul  9  8:11:31 EDT 2006

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Claims about AgriProcessors (2)
         [Anonymous, David Charlap]
Dalet vs Daled
         [Ari Trachtenberg]
Darche Noam 11th Annual Yarchei Kallah
         [Eliezer Kwass]
Early sources for Hashkama minyan in America
         [Avi Feldblum]
Had To Work on Shabbos
Kaddish After Aleinu
         [Ira L. Jacobson]
Kashrut Ignorance
         [Ira L. Jacobson]
Mochiach -- only rhetoric?
         [Freda B Birnbaum]
PETA letter to Arafat
         [Ari Trachtenberg]
R. Ovadiah Yosef
         [Prof. Aryeh A. Frimer]
Simchas Yom Tov
         [Batya Medad]


From: Anonymous
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:15:52 EDT
Subject: Claims about AgriProcessors

 From: Ari Trachtenberg <trachten@...>
> Since the issue has been raised, I refer you to Nathan Lewin's article
> in the Jewish Press (though I typically take the Jewish Press with a
> grain of salt, Nathan Lewin is a very well-respected attorney):

Although Nat Lewin is a well-known and often sought after attorney, one
must also take into account that he is at first an advocate.  He
acknowledges at the very beginning of his article that he has
represented (and probably still does represent) AgriProcessors.

From: David Charlap <shamino@...>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:31:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Claims about AgriProcessors

N Miller wrote:
> Let me pose an additional question.  How does it happen that questions
> of ritual and ritual variations should be of such stupendous
> importance that they crowd out any discussion at all of such matters
> as the charge of unfair labor practices at AgriProcessors in
> Postville, Iowa?

Maybe because the group bringing the charges (PETA) is a radical animal
rights organization with ties to several terrorist groups.  We don't go
around discussing the possible merits of Hamas press releases here, so
why should we discuss PETA's claims?

This write-up may be of interest:

(In the name of full disclosure, activistcash.com is run by the Center
For Consumer Freedom - a group sponsored by the food industry.  But
their articles are backed up with verifiable facts, making them more
reliable than the claims of activist groups like PETA.)

PETA wants nothing less than "total animal liberation".  They want to
force the entire world to be strict vegetarians, along with granting
full human rights to all animals great and small.

They are closely tied with groups like the Animal Liberation Front, that
actually go so far as to bomb buildings and commit arson for their cause.

-- David


From: Ari Trachtenberg <trachten@...>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:21:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Dalet vs Daled

> From: Rabbi Ari Enkin <rabbiari@...>
> Baruch Hashem, I am pleased to announce the release of my book "Dalet
> Amot" (310pp. - h/c) which deals with over 100 contemporary halachic
> issues in an informal and entertaining manner.

Is it a political statement to use "dalet" rather than "daled", or is it
just stylistic?

Ari Trachtenberg,                                      Boston University
http://people.bu.edu/trachten                    mailto:<trachten@...>


From: Eliezer Kwass <kwass@...>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:01:55 -0400
Subject: Darche Noam 11th Annual Yarchei Kallah


Darche Noam / Shapell's 11th annual 3-day Yarchei Kallah, "Jewish
Spirituality: Learning It & Living It," is taking place Sunday through
Tuesday, July 30-August 1 / 5-7 Av, 5766 at the David & Fela Shapell
Campus, 5 Rechov Beit Hakerem, Jerusalem.

Please have a look at our website:
for complete details and information.

It's a chance to spend three days in an exciting educational environment
exploring Jewish spirituality through Torah sources; learning how to
translate great teachings into day-to-day life; and learning from the
lives of gedolei Yisrael.

Some of our presenters and their shiurim: 
Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau - "Bringing Spirituality to Modern Israel" 
Rabbi Zev Leff - "Spirituality: the Energy, Light and Soul of Torah" 
Rabbi Shaya Karlinsky - "Habits of Highly Spiritual People"
Rabbi Hershel Schachter - "Love of Hashem, Israel, and Torah"
Rabbi Mayer Twersky - "Searching for G-d"
Rabbi Binyomin Levene ^ "The Spiritual People of Old Jerusalem"

Every day includes a morning lecture; followed by a text-based shiur (2
levels for men and 2 levels for women) preceded by a chevruta period and
taught by one of the Shapell's or Midreshet Rachel faculty members; a
lunchtime talk; and an afternoon shiur.  Tuesday night there's a special
night program with Rabbi Lau. For men and women - separate seating.

For more information and to register contact the Darche Noam / Shapell's
Jerusalem office at: <dni@...> or call (from Chutz Laaretz)
972-2- 651-1178 (in Israel) 02-651-1178.

Kol tuv
Eliezer Kwass
Darche Noam / Shapell's


From: Avi Feldblum <feldblum@...>
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:51:39 -0400
Subject: Early sources for Hashkama minyan in America

As I had indicated in an earlier issue, I had emailed Dr. Gurock for
sources related to Hashkama minyan practice in early 20th century US. He
confirmed that the sources support the statements made in the list that
the early 1900 minyanim were organized by people that went to work after
davening. Here are some source material he has sent for people to read

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeffrey S. Gurock <gurock@...>

This should help---

On the phenomenon of guilt-ridden Jews praying on the Sabbath before
going off to work, see Herbert S. Goldstein, ed. Forty Years of Struggle
for a Principle: The Biography of Harry Fischel ( New York: Bloch,
1928), pp.17-19 noted in Jonathan D. Sarna, American Judaism: A History
( New Haven: Yale University Press, 2004), p.163.

People might also be interested in my article--"20th century American
Orthodoxy's Era of Non-Observance, 1900-1960" which discusses the issues
surrounding non-observance of the Sabbath and work etc.

Hope all is well

Jeffrey S. Gurock, Ph.D.
Libby M. Klaperman Professor of Jewish History
Yeshiva University


From: <chips@...>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:41:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Had To Work on Shabbos

from my family history:

	One uncle went to work on a Shabos, my Grandmother did not know
but suspected and was quite upset the whole afternoon. Another uncle
went out later in the afternoon to meet his brother down the block
before getting back to the house. Upon meeting he threatened the brother
with bodily harm if he ever went to work on Shabos again. The brothers
agreed to a cover story and never told their mother and my uncle never
worked on Shabos again.

postscript: my grandmother at the time was a widow and there were 9
children in the apartment. So forgive for not accepting the line of 'had
to work on Shabos' as legitimate.

post-postscript: the siblings knew who was involved, but when they told
the story to later family generations they never said which brothers
were involved.



From: Ira L. Jacobson <laser@...>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:26:15 +0300
Subject: Re: Kaddish After Aleinu

Nathan Lamm <nelamm18@...> stated:

      Finally, I've been to many tefillot where Kaddish was said only
      after the Shir Shel Yom, not Aleinu, particularly when there was
      no chiyuv.

Does any poseq require qaddish after Shir shel Yom if there is no hiyuv?
We know that the Rema requires it after Aleinu, and so far we don't know
of any other poseq who requires it even there.

And of course Sefardim never say qaddish aster Aleinu.  (Watch out for
the "never" word.)

IRA L. JACOBSON         


From: Ira L. Jacobson <laser@...>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:25:22 +0300
Subject: Re: Kashrut Ignorance

Batya Medad <ybmedad@...> stated:

      Be very specific, like:
       *  are there any fresh fruit, uncut, and please don't cut it?
       *  Do you have any yogurts left over from breakfast? (for those who
          aren't makpid on chalav yisrael)

I discovered some 20 years ago, at least, that some yogurts in America
were made with gelatin.  Are they stiil?

[Yes. Mod.]

IRA L. JACOBSON         


From: Freda B Birnbaum <fbb6@...>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:58:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mochiach -- only rhetoric?

recently on Mail-Jewish:

> To be a Mochiach knowing that it will be in the headlines the next day 
> is the height of insensitivity.

> First, while mochiachim are found only in some Sefardic settings,
> Ashkenazim are not unfamiliar with "zogn musar", a very similar style
> of preaching.  Second, style does not govern content: nowhere is it
> written or required that fervent moral suasion be acted out with words
> that are arrant as well as offensive nonsense.  The Christian world
> has its Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons.  I see no need for Jews to
> try to imitate their moronic examples.

Many of the people who hear this stuff don't realize it is "only" a
literary device, or rhetoric, or whatever.  We know perfectly well how
foolish and/or disingenuous those people are who say that it's "only
rhetoric" when Arabs say they want to destroy all the Jews.

It may work for those in the know, but as another poster pointed out:

> this causes a person to hate themselves, to despair of ever being
> perfect of running away from judaism, of hating his/her fellow jews.

And for some, it causes them to dismiss it all the same way they dismiss
Jerry Falwell and co.

Freda Birnbaum, <fbb6@...>
"Call on God, but row away from the rocks"


From: Ari Trachtenberg <trachten@...>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:31:22 -0400
Subject: Re: PETA letter to Arafat

From: Leah S. Gordon <leah@...>
>    Now, if you want to be annoyed with PETA, consider their "Holocaust
> on your plate" campaign.  However, they did use Jewish artists and give
> reasonable credence to the actual Holocaust.

Certainly this latter sentence does not in any way mitigate their
behavior!?  (and, knowing Leah personally, I am pretty sure that she did
not mean to imply that it did)

A relevant analogy would be to set up a racist ad campaign, but use
black artists and give credence to the earlier slavery problems in
American history.  What about PETA's ad of Rudolph Giuliani sporting a
milk mustache with the caption "Got Prostate Cancer?"

PETA is a vile group that doesn't warrant the attention they are
enjoying on this mailing list.

Ari Trachtenberg,                                      Boston University
http://people.bu.edu/trachten                    mailto:<trachten@...>


From: Prof. Aryeh A. Frimer <frimea@...>
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:55:27 +0300
Subject: R. Ovadiah Yosef

The accepted (Scholarly Journal articles, Press) spelling of the former
Rishon leZion's name is "Ovadiah Yosef" (final H, single S) as found in
the Encyclopedia Judaica. However, on the former Sefardic Chief Rabbi's
stationary, he spells his name "Ovadia Yossef".  



From: Batya Medad <ybmedad@...>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:01:37 +0200
Subject: Re: Simchas Yom Tov

> Which brings me to another pet topic - the lack of Simchas and Oneg YT
> caused by staying up for such a l-o-n-g night.  I personally don't -
> and explain it by saying that Oneg YT is a mitzvas asei - which I
> cannot claim to be mekayem by forcing myself to stay awake all night
> [and then messing up the next day as well..] SBA

A minor clarification.  Where did you get your definition of "Simchas
and Oneg YT?"  Too often we use totally secular and western/modern
definitions, which are far removed from the halachik Hebrew.  Just like
the "v'ahavta" in Shma has nothing to do with romance, your "Simchas and
Oneg YT" have nothing to with having a good time, being well-rested and
all that.

http://shilohmusings.blogspot.com/ ; http://me-ander.blogspot.com/         
http://samizdatblogfree.blogspot.com/ ; http://shilohpics.blogspot.com/ 


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