Volume 56 Number 05
                    Produced: Fri Dec 21  6:43:08 EST 2007

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Bentching on a Kos
Convert as synagogue president
         [Sammy Finkelman]
Converts/women as Synagogue President
         [Esther and Aryeh Frimer]
Frum firsters (2)
         [Richard Schultz, Avi Feldblum]
Hashgacha on Restaurant Open on Shabbos
         [Carl Singer]
Looking for someone
         [Gershon Dubin]
Second Avenue Deli
         [Eric Mack ]
Truma/Masar & the borders of israel
         [ZH B]


From: <chips@...>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:03:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Bentching on a Kos

> Finally, I am in full agreement with Ari that with the common
> availability of wine in many of our homes, using a kos for bentching
> with a zimun is a practice that is worthy of reviving.
> Avi

   When a post high school yeshiva which allowed regular college
attendance opened in Boro Park in the early '80s, the Rosh Yeshiva asked
about requiring a kos for benching at lunch time. The response he
received was that while it does seem that a kos is needed, the community
already thinks he is crazy for allowing college and he shouldn't add
fuel to the fire by requiring something that no one else did.



From: Sammy Finkelman <sammy.finkelman@...>
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:43:08 -0500
Subject: Convert as synagogue president

David E. Maslow reports...
> The National Council of Young Israel has issued (or re-
> issued) a ruling that a convert cannot be president of an
> affiliated Young Israel  congregation, but has provided
> minimal justification.
>  What is the halachic basis for this ruling

The Rambam. He held that the command not to make someone who was not
"your brother" a king, also applied to any other kind of top
authoritative position. He was quite liberal (meaning he extebnded this
a far) as to what what kind of positions this applied to.  Dr. Josh
Backon gives us the details.


From: Esther and Aryeh Frimer <frimera@...>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:14:40 +0200
Subject: Converts/women as Synagogue President

The issue of a convert as synagogue president is not that different from
that of a woman as Shul president - with the central issue one of serara
(discretional Authority).  According to many if not most modern
authorities, Democratic elections changes the halakhic reality and,
hence, allows for a permissive ruling.

    I refer the readers to my article in Hebrew :

"Women in Community Leadership Roles in the Modern Period," Aryeh A.
Frimer, In "Afikei Yehudah - Rabbi Yehuda Gershuni zt'l Memorial
Volume," R. Itamar Warhaftig, ed., Ariel Press: Jerusalem, 5765 (2005),
pp. 330-354 (In Hebrew). HTML file available online at
http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/mishpach/maamad/nashim-2.htm .

    There is also an Edited Transcript and an unedited audio File of a
lecture I gave on the subject:

       "Women in Community Leadership Roles - Shul Presidents" Edited
Transcript of Lecture (in English) with Addenda (Summaries of
Conversations with Rav Aharon Lichtenstein and Rav Nahum Rabinovitch),
Aryeh A. Frimer, Word file available online at
http://www.bermanshul.org/Women_in_Leadership.pdf; unedited audio file
available at http://www.cairotour.org/women_in_leadership_positions.wav.
Source pages are available at

Kol Tuv

Aryeh (from home)
E-mail: <FrimeA@...>


From: Richard Schultz <schultr@...>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:10:56 +0200
Subject: Frum firsters

In mail-jewish 56:03, <ChaimShapiro@...> (Chaim Shapiro) wrote:

> I would fully support and be completely in favor of Conservative or
> Reform Jews initiating a similar set of services to maximize the
> professional relationships in their respective communities.

Just to make sure that I understand what it is that you are proposing,
am I correct in my assumption that you would agree that there was nothing
wrong in principle with the Nazis' April 1933 boycott of Jewish-owned 

> Mr. Singer, 5 years ago, I never would have thought a can (or bag) of
> gummy worms would be kosher.  But one can certainly open them now.

I'm obviously missing something here, as I am having a very hard time
being convinced that this is necessarily a good thing.

					Richard Schultz

From: Avi Feldblum <feldblum@...>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:37:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Frum firsters

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Richard Schultz wrote:

> Just to make sure that I understand what it is that you are proposing,
> am I correct in my assumption that you would agree that there was
> nothing wrong in principle with the Nazis' April 1933 boycott of
> Jewish-owned businesses?

Richard, I do not understand how you go from a social interaction type
organization that creates an environment where one can initially choose
from one's own social group for business purposes to a boycott situation
where the clear focus is to exlude from the marketplace a different
social / ethnic / religious group. I do not think this comparison is
valid and does not add to the discussion.

Avi Feldblum


From: Carl Singer <csngr@...>
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:05:14 -0500
Subject: Hashgacha on Restaurant Open on Shabbos

> so the 2nd ave deli reopened:
> http://www.1010wins.com/Pastrami-Lovers-Rejoice-as-2nd-Ave-Deli-Reopens/1350563
> "And it still boasts being kosher despite the fact it's open seven days
> a week, 24 hours a day.

This is NOT an isolated case, there are many such restaurants in
Manhattan.  And there are many agencies who grant them hashgocha.

And it is problematic.

I remember a well-meaning non-Jewish colleague who ordered "kosher" food
for me for a business luncheon.  I really can't expect said colleague to
know which hasgochas are / are not to MY standards.  Once communication
was established I simplified things with a list of 3 or 4 restaurants
that were appropriate.

Carl Singer


From: Gershon Dubin <gershon.dubin@...>
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:06:28 GMT
Subject: Looking for someone

Does anyone know how to contact either Matityahu or Mordechai Tenenbaum
who live in Boro Park?



From: Eric Mack  <ewm44118@...>
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:39:36 GMT
Subject: Second Avenue Deli

"Second Avenue Deli is now open. Those of you craving p'tcha, grievenes,
real gefilte -- the time is now. The 2nd Avenue Deli, located at 162 East
33rd Street, between Lexington Avenue and Third Avenue, is now open 24/7
and under the supervision of Rabbi Israel Steinberg. "


I can not ascertain the credentials of this Rabbi Steinberg.

Eric Mack


From: <chips@...>
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:14:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Sedros

>> From: <chips@...>
>> How many sedros did he have for Sefer Shmos?  And to repeat the
>> question in the OP - when did the present splits become the norm? I
>> thought it was after the crusades but there is a Rashi in Sota that
>> mentions a Sedra name instead of just perek number.

> Is the sedra name in parentheses, like chapter numbers, or not?  If
> not, it's interesting.  The chapter numbers were adopted from the
> Christians sometime in, I think, the late 1500s.  So our Rashi was
> re-edited to include chapter numbers in parentheses by some later
> hand.

   My "bad" , I should have been more explicit.

There is Rashi that mentions a Sedra name as a source instead of the
posuk itself followed by the editor's perek number.  (41a , first wide


From: ZH B <thegeniepig@...>
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:25:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Truma/Masar & the borders of israel

Is there some minimum standard that all exporters must adhere to for
Truma & Masar here in israel

does all produce being exported to the States have even a minimum level
of Hasgacha that Truma & Masar where taken (like on the State of israel

and on the same line there is much dispute on the proper (Halachic)
borders of israel for Truma & Masar and i think the same applies for
Shmita (like Nachal Tzin near the Arava Valley

i am trying to get an idea of who holds what and where can you enlighten
me some on this

thank you 


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