Volume 6 Number 20

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Chadash and Yashan
         [Zvi Basser]
Chatan *Not* Patur from Sh'ma
         [Richard Schultz]
Fingernail Clippings
         [Len Moskowitz]
Fish Derivatives and Meat (2)
         [Gerald Sacks, Lorne Schachter]
Havdala Questions
         [Yehoshua Steinberg]
         [Danny Skaist]
Separation of fish and meat
         [Neil Parks]
Worchestire Sauce
         [Elise G. Jacobs]


From: <fishbane@...> (Zvi Basser)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 13:02:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Chadash and Yashan

I wish to correct an error based on information i relied upon and
thank Boruch Kogan for informing me of the following concerning US yashan.

Zvi Basser

 It is known for sure, that this year we are going to have
> rov grain products coming from spring grains. Especially oats, the figure
> exceeds 90%. Obviously the heter of Ramo doesn't apply, since the rov is
> known to be osur.
>                                                 Sincerely,
>                                                  Boruch Kogan


From: <schultz@...> (Richard Schultz)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 11:11:45 -0500
Subject: Chatan *Not* Patur from Sh'ma

According to the Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayyim siman `ayin sa`if
gimel, the rule that a chatan [bridegroom] is patur [exempt] from
the mitzvah of kriat Sh`ma only applied to earlier times.  Now that
none of us ever have the kavvanah [depth of intention] that they 
did, even a bridegroom who marries a virgin (as opposed to a widow or
divorcee) is required to say the Sh`ma.  The Rema notes that you
have to say it even if you're drunk.

					Richard Schultz


From: Len Moskowitz <moskowit@...>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 13:51:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Fingernail Clippings

Bruce Krulwich wrote

> I've never gotten a good answer about the basis for the fingernail
> issue, largely because this types of things are rooted in inyanei nistar
> (kabbala), but I've always wondered whether it has anything to do with
> the Midrash in Bereshis about Adam and Chava [Eve] originally were
> covered all over by nails, and that after they ate from the etz ha'das
> [tree of knowledge] the nails were reduced to the fingernails and
> toenails that we have now.  It seems that the Midrash (no matter how
> alagorically or literally you want to read it) is making a connection
> between nails and our relationship with G-d in the world.

Bruce is correct that the issue is addressed in Kabbalah, and his
intuition that there is a connection with Adam and Chava is correct.  If
someone wanted to understand the nature of fingernails and the
prohibitions associated with their clippings, the place to look is in
Sha'ar Mem Aleph of the Etz Chayyim (part of Kitvay HaAriza"l).  There
are some other references too -- contact me if you're interested.

Briefly, the fingernails acts as a shield against negative spiritual
influences.  When they are cut, the clippings maintain some of that

Len Moskowitz


From: Gerald Sacks <sacks@...>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 17:31:49 -0500
Subject: Fish Derivatives and Meat

As Elliot Lasson mentions, there's one brand of Worcestershire sauce
(Lea and Perrins?) that's marked OU Fish.  The OU certifies other brands
that contain lesser amounts of fish as OU Pareve.  It seems that
according to the OU, there's such a thing as the fish being batul, but
the amount of fish in this brand isn't.

From: <lhsux@...> (Lorne Schachter)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 14:04:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Fish Derivatives and Meat

Actually, there is a potential health reason not to eat meat and fish
together and that has to do with the bones.  Fish bones are much smaller
and if you're not careful you might just end up eating one.  People
don't pay so much attention to meat bones because they are so large.

			Lorne Schachter - who always finds the bones
			in the (supposedly) filletted fish


From: <steinbrg@...> (Yehoshua Steinberg)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 07:46:44 -0500
Subject: Havdala Questions

Sam Gamoran writes regarding _havdala_:>
>   in the eyes, on the forehead, etc. to carry from Shabbat into the coming
>   week - or for "bina" (understanding, enlightenment)
>   in the pockets for "parnassa" (livelihood, income)

See Sh. Ar. OC 296:1, where the Rema says:

        ...A bit (of wine) is spilled to put out the candle. One also
        rinses one's eyes with it (to demonstrate) love of the mitzva.
>I've also heard a minhag that women don't drink from havdalah or they
>will grow a beard (acquire masculine attributes?).

The Be'er Heitev and the Mishna Berura record this custom, the former
referring to the Shela as the source. I haven't looked up the latter
lately, but I seem to recall that the reason you give is quoted else-

>Also a minhag that a
>child holds the candle at the height that their future spouse will be.
>Anyone able to elaborate on these childhood folklore?
The Mishna Berura does not mention this. The best place to check for
such things is the _Ta'amei Haminhagim_ (mine is on its way to Israel
in the lift).



From: DANNY%<ILNCRD@...> (Danny Skaist)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 07:59:56 -0500
Subject: Rabbinic/Locusts

>Zev Farkas, PE                                :)
>In the passover case, the sephardi is using rice, which for an ashkenazi
>comes under a rabbinic prohibition.
>In the grasshopper (or is that really locust?) case, the ashkenazi,
>without the help of his sephardi friend, would have to consider any insect
>to possibly be "sheketz" ("disgusting"), and thus BIBLICALLY prohibited.
>The question is whether he can rely on his sephardic friend's tradition to
>differentiate between permissible and biblically prohibited.

Actually I just noticed that for insects there are biblical signs
(LEV-11:22).The only reason that ashkanazim don't eat these critters is a
lack of tradition.
The concept of needing a tradition is rabbinic in origin, and without this
"rabbinic prohibition" we could eat them without any doubts.



From: <aa640@...> (Neil Parks)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 13:47:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Separation of fish and meat

The separation of fish and meat is not limited to Judaism.

Some of the Eskimos in Alaska keep separate pots for cooking fish and
meat just as we have separate pots for cooking milchig and fleishig.

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From: <psybc806@...> (Elise G. Jacobs)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 13:41:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Worchestire Sauce

According to Kashrus Magazine, if the sauce is designated "Fish", then
you may not use it with meat.  If the designation is "Parve", you may
use it with meat EVEN if the ingredients list fish.

Elise Jacobs 


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