Volume 60 Number 56
Produced: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:29:26 EST
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Administravia
[Ari Trachtenberg]
Brouhaha about seating (4)
[Steven Oppenheimer Bernard Raab Rabbi R. Bulka Yisrael Medad]
Dairy after Meat, Meat after Dairy -- and sleep
[Carl Singer]
gambling for charity
[Ari Trachtenberg]
Sons & Daughters in Sefer Bereshit
[Abe Brot]
Standing during chazarat hashatz
[David Tzohar]
The ruling of "better to go before a firing squad than hear a woman si
[David Tzohar]
What Day Of The Week Will Shabbos Be In Samoa? (2)
[Yisrael Medad David Ziants]
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From: Ari Trachtenberg <trach...@...>
Date: Sat, Dec 31,2011 at 11:01 PM
Subject: Administravia
Welcome to the Google Groups version of the Mail-Jewish
list. The mailing list should function just as before, but e-mails
will now be coming from google.com. Please e-mail
submissions, as before, to <m...@...> (keeping in
mind the submission guidelines at http://mj.bu.edu/).
Sincerely,
Ari Trachtenberg, on behalf of the moderation team
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From: Steven Oppenheimer <steven.oppenhei...@...>
Date: Thu, Dec 29,2011 at 07:01 PM
Subject: Brouhaha about seating
There has been a lot of discussion about sitting next to a woman while
traveling on a plane, bus, train, etc. The topic has captured the
headlines in Israel and for that matter in the world press.
I would suggest reading the responsum from Rav Moshe Feinstein, zt"l -
Iggerot Moshe, Even HaEzer Vol. 2 Siman 14 - where he deals with the
permissibility of sitting and/or standing next to a woman on a crowded bus
or subway where one may inadvertently come into contact with a woman.
It is most instructive.
Steven Oppenheimer, D.M.D.
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From: Bernard Raab <ber...@...>
Date: Sat, Dec 31,2011 at 08:01 PM
Subject: Brouhaha about seating
From: Stuart Pilichowski (M-J V60#55):
> In reply to Shmuel Himelstein (MJ 60#54):
>
> Seems to me a simple case of the Charedi man acting on a chumrah he practices
> and he's pretty sure (chazakah?) the fellow he's asking doesn't practice.
This practice (i.e., asking a male stranger to change seats with you because you
have been assigned a seat next to a woman) is offensive simply because you are
announcing that you are "holier than thou." I would approve this practice,
however, if he asked a woman sitting next to a strange man to make the change,
since she may herself feel more comfortable next to another woman. In practice I
suspect this is never the case since the haredi would be unlikely to approach a
strange woman with this request. Am I wrong?
Bernie R.
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From: Rabbi R. Bulka <rabbibu...@...>
Date: Sun, Jan 1,2012 at 12:01 AM
Subject: Brouhaha about seating
In light of the recent events in Ramat Bet Shemesh, listmembers may be
interested in my latest book, THE JEWISH AGENDA: AN OLD-NEW LOOK AT THE BIG
PICTURE. In it, I point out that we have lost sight of our global
responsibility and that re-kindling this responsibility is essential to the
fulfillment of our mission and will hopefully obviate the types of Hillul
ha-Shem we recently experienced.
Rabbi Reuven P. Bulka
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From: Yisrael Medad <ybme...@...>
Date: Mon, Jan 2,2012 at 12:01 PM
Subject: Brouhaha about seating
Following up on MJ 60#55, and perhaps contributing to
understanding/comprehending the Hareidi perspective in these modern
times, I suggest these book/pamphlets and maybe someone will do an
academic research paper on them:
Alei Ayin al Shmirat HaEinayim
Sefer Divrei HaShalom B'Inyan Kisui HaRosh v'HaRegel
U'Vcharta B'Chayim - 13 Ikarim L'Shmirat HaGuf v'HaNefesh B'dvarim
N'chutzim B'zmaneinu
V'Yadata Ki Shalom Ohalecha - Pirkei Hadracha L'Chayei HaBayit
Shlosha Ma'amarim al Issur P'gam Einayim
Shaarei Hatzalah
Kranot Tzadik - B'Inyan P'gam HaBrit v'Seder Yemei Shovavaim
Sefer Halacha L'Ma'aseh - Yichud v'Gidrei K'dusha
Sefer Ha'Issur HeChamor
Sefer Kedusha u'Tzniyut
all of which (in addition to others deal with issues of what we could
term "modesty matters" from walking down a street to riding a bus and
other affairs, some literal.
All of the above are on my library shelf at home, in addition to a dozen
broadsheets (no feminist slur there), as well as additional wall poster
material I have uploaded at my blog
(www.myrightword.blogspot.com <http://www.myrightword.blogspot.com/>)
over the years and at a Facebook album I have up.
Yisrael
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From: Carl Singer <carl.sin...@...>
Date: Tue, Jan 3,2012 at 08:01 AM
Subject: Dairy after Meat, Meat after Dairy -- and sleep
So after a hearty fleischig chulent you fall sound asleep. When you awake
X minutes later may you now eat a bowl of dairy ice cream?
What are the halachic and practical responses to the above?
BTW -- when I wake, I want more chulent :).
Carl
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From: Ari Trachtenberg <bo...@...>
Date: Tue, Jan 3,2012 at 05:01 PM
Subject: gambling for charity
I had a bet with another moderator ($1 to tsdaka)
that at least 1/3 of our membership would successfully transition
to the new google group within the first week. Is this considered
gambling?
Best,
-Ari
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From: Abe Brot <abe.b...@...>
Date: Thu, Dec 29,2011 at 04:01 PM
Subject: Sons & Daughters in Sefer Bereshit
If we review the last 9 parshiot (Lech-Lecha to Vayigash), and count the
number of sons and daughters born to our forefathers, we see something
astounding:
Avraham had 8 reported sons and no reported daughters
Yitzhak had 2 reported sons and no reported daughters
Ya'akov had 12 reported sons and 1 reported daughter (Dina)
Ya'akov's sons had 53 reported sons and 1 reported daughter (Serach)
The total from all of them is 75 reported sons and 2 reported daughters.
The probability that this occurred naturally is several trillion to one. It
is equivalent to tossing a coin 77 times and having heads fall 75 times and
tails twice.
Of course, G-d could have made a miracle for this to occur, but to what
end? Clearly, if sufficient daughters were born, some of the sons could
have married their Israelite cousins instead of marrying Canaanite women.
So why would G-d produce this sort of miracle to limit the number of
daughters born?
It seems to me that the Torah mentions daughters only when they are needed
for the narrative. Dina was mentioned because of the incident with Shechem.
(There is a Midrash that Serach survived the entire 210 years in Egypt and then
showed Moshe where Yosef's bones were hidden. Perhaps she was
mentioned only in this context.)
If my assumption is right, Ya'akov's sons had many more than the reported
54 children. As a result, many more than 70 Israelite souls went down to
Egypt to start the Israelite community there.
I have heard about a Midrash that says that each of Ya'akov's sons was born
together with a twin sister. Even if this is so, Ya'akov's sons could not
marry their sisters. In any case, there are no reports on what happened to
Ya'akov's additional daughters and their children?
If someone has some thoughts on this matter, please speak up.
Avraham Brot from Petah-Tikva
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From: David Tzohar <davidtzo...@...>
Date: Thu, Dec 29,2011 at 01:01 PM
Subject: Standing during chazarat hashatz
I picked up this minhag (to stand during chazarat hashatz) from the Yeshiva I
learned at in Yerushalaim, although they have no connection to RYBS or his
minhagim. Many others keep this minhag. For instance, the Rav of our shul,
R"Avraham Rubin, a Slonim Chassid, stands for all the chazarat hashatz, albeit not
at attention; he sways from side to side. As a matter of fact, he often stands for
the whole dovening, *including all 25 hours of Yom Kippur*! According to him we
are commanded to *stand* before Hashem in prayer, therefore at least
lechatchila we should be standing for the whole tefilla. BTW does any one know if
during the Temple service the people were allowed to sit, or did they have to
stand all times?
--
David Tzohar
http://tzoharlateivahebrew.blogspot.com/
http://tzoharlateiva.blogspot.com/
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From: David Tzohar <davidtzo...@...>
Date: Thu, Dec 29,2011 at 01:01 PM
Subject: The ruling of "better to go before a firing squad than hear a woman si
IIRC R' Elyakim Levanon said this. It can be understood in two ways.
1. Guzma bealma [trying to make a point by gross exaggeration]. In a
similar vein, R' Herschel Shachter said "ordaining female rabbis is
yehareg veal-ya'avor." Or we hear that partrilineal determination of
Jewishness is "Gzeirat hashmad." Using the extreme terms makes people
stand up and take notice, and it is also an indication of how seriously
they take the issue.
2. I think that R'Elyakim wanted to say something a little deeper. Kol
isha is a snif of erva, actually Chazal said it IS erva (kol beisha
erva). Erva issues are treated more stringently. As in the case of
the lovesick man who the doctors said would die if he would not be
allowed to have relations with her. Chazal said that not only was he
not allowed to touch her lttle finger, it would be better to die than
to even hear her voice from behind the wall! Or better to go before a
firing squad than to hear the erva of a woman's voice.
David Tzohar
http://tzoharlateivahebrew.blogspot.com/
http://tzoharlateiva.blogspot.com/
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From: Yisrael Medad <ybme...@...>
Date: Sat, Dec 31,2011 at 07:01 PM
Subject: What Day Of The Week Will Shabbos Be In Samoa?
Following on from our discussions some time ago, MJ members may find this
article of interest:
With Samoa calendar change, question for Jews: When is Shabbat?
By Adam Soclof, December 30, 2011
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/12/30/3090969/samoa-calendar-change-impacts-sabbath-but-affects-few
--
Yisrael Medad
Shiloh
Mobile Post Efraim 44830
Israel
www.myrightword.blogspot.com <http://www.myrightword.blogspot.com/>
http://blogs.jpost.com/content/green-lined
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/5
http://www.ymedad.blogspot.com/ (')
http://morefromtheadmor.wordpress.com/
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From: David Ziants <dzia...@...>
Date: Sun, Jan 1,2012 at 06:01 PM
Subject: What Day Of The Week Will Shabbos Be In Samoa?
Just over half a year ago, there was a discussion on Samoa and the
international date line. The initial question can be found in MJ 60#11
and replies by following links from querying the archives:
http://www.ottmall.com/wgi-bin/webglimpse?query=samoa
There was a short article on the subject in Arutz 7 news site:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151267#.TwDU-PK252P
I assume that this is a permanent link to the article.
The article mentions that there is at least one Jew who identified himself and
who lives on this Island. It also mentions the Rabbinic advice to try and keep
away from such places over the days when Shabbat might be, so as not enter into
halachic doubts, or having to keep 2 days thereof.
In feedback comment number 2 of the article, there is a reference link
to mail-jewish archives for a halachic discussion.
David Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel
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