Volume 7 Number 48

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Anim Z'miros (3)
         [Anthony Fiorino, Dr. Sheldon Z. Meth, Bob Kosovsky]
Hesped for the Rav
         [Hillel Markowitz]
Kohanim as Medical Students
         [Michael Ghanooni]
Maimonides School's mixed classes
         [Gerald Sacks]
Minhag for Pidyon HaBen
         [meylekh viswanath]
Moshe Rabbeinu and Mattan Torah (2)
         [Barry Siegel, Dr. Sheldon Z. Meth]
Quotes needed
         [Bruce Krulwich]
Return of Moshe
         [Anthony Fiorino]
Seven Mitzvot and arayot
         [Robert A. Book]
         [Seth L. Ness]
Yom Yerushalaim for 'secularists'
         [David Kramer]


From: Anthony Fiorino <fiorino@...>
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 13:52:48 -0400
Subject: Anim Z'miros

As I understand it, many shuls have done away with reciting anim z'mirot
precisely because of its holiness -- since it is stuck at the end of
davening, and many people begin talking and do not show the necessary
kavod for the song and for the open aron.

Eitan Fiorino

From: Dr. Sheldon Z. Meth <METH@...>
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 09:05:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Anim Z'miros

I grew up in a shtiebel, where we only sang Anim Zemiros once a year: on
Kol Nidre night, after davening, before the Shir Hayichud.  I was told that
Anim Zemiros is "Kodshey Kodoshim" [Holy of Holies] because of its mystical
content; only the holy day of Yom Kippur was appropriate for it.  By the way,
chassidim always refer to Yom Kippur as Yom HaKodosh [the Holy Day].

From: Bob Kosovsky <kos@...>
Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 11:12:00 EDT
Subject: RE:  Anim Z'miros

In addition to Barry Siegel's questions on the custom of saying or not
saying Anim Zmiros, I once heard that Rav Soloveitchik zt"l saithat 
this piyut should not be said since it glorifies man over Hashem (or
at least implies such a thing).  Even if I didn't quite get it correct,
I've heard that the Rav did not like the recitation of Anim Zmiros.
Is there anyone who could explain his shita?

Bob Kosovsky
Graduate Center -- Ph.D. Program in Music(student)/ City University of New York
New York Public Library -- Music Division
bitnet:   <kos@...>        internet: kos@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu


From: <H_Markowitz@...> (Hillel Markowitz)
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 10:24 EDT
Subject: Hesped for the Rav

There will be a community wide Hesped for the Rav Wed. June 9, 7:30 PM
at Shomrei Emunoh Congregation, Baltimore, MD, co-sponsored by the
Rabbinical Council of Baltimore - Vaad Harabonim.  It will include an
address by the Rosh Yeshiva of Ner Israel, Harav Weinberg Shlita.

Rabbi yitzchok TRwersky, the Ravs son-in-law, will be the guest

Hillel Markowitz    <H_Markowitz@...>


From: <MDGST8@...> (Michael Ghanooni)
Date: Wed, 19 May 93 07:25:27 -0400
Subject: Kohanim as Medical Students

R' Goron's heter (allowing) of Kohanim as medical students is a not-so-
popular opinion.  
As far as other Rabbis, both R' Moshe and R' Ovadia Yosef forbid Kohanim to
be med students (I'm sorry for not knowing the sources).  

Michael Ghanooni


From: Gerald Sacks <sacks@...>
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 09:50:18 -0400
Subject: Maimonides School's mixed classes

Susan Slusky asks in m.j 7.42 about the Rav's view on the mixed classes
at the Maimonides School.  This was discussed last summer in volume 4,
numbers 18, 26 and 27.  Howard Seigel's contribution in number 27 is
particularly edifying.


From: meylekh viswanath <viswanath@...>
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 22:12:00 -0400
Subject: Minhag for Pidyon HaBen

Steve Prensky asks about a kohen sitting for the mitsve of pidyen-haben.
I recently saw a picture (in an exhibition) of a pidyen haben in a
Syrian community.  The parties were all sitting down.  However, the
caption said that the kohen was interviewing the parents (confirming 
that the child was a peter rekhem, etc;), so this may not have been
the actual pidyen.



From: <sieg@...> (Barry Siegel)
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 09:04 EDT
Subject: Moshe Rabbeinu and Mattan Torah

> Then, she asked a question that stumped me.  "If Hashem cured everyone
> before Matan Torah, was Moshe Rabbeinu cured of his problem talking
> (speach impediment)?

One of the prime reasons why Moshe Rabbeinu had a speach impediment
was so historical folks wouldn't say that the reason that the B'nai Yisroel 
followed Moshe was because he was such a great orator.

No way, The people followed Moshe because they realized he was the
true messenger of G-d.  It was not that Moshe could "talk" 
and convince [brainwash?] them into following his command like 
"Lehavdil" a modern day cult leader.  If this is a given, then there
was good reason for Moshe Rabbeinu to not be cured of his
speach impediment during his leadership.

Barry Siegel

From: Dr. Sheldon Z. Meth <METH@...>
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 09:05:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Moshe Rabbeinu and Mattan Torah

The meforshim also say that after the Chet HaEgel [sin of the golden calf],
the Jews' ailments returned.  So even if Moshe was cured fom his speech
impediment, it was restored.  Even though Moshe didn't participate in the sin,
since the miraculous cure of ailments was in the merit of the entire Klal
Yisrael, the ailments returned to everyone because Klal Yisrael lost the merit.


From: <krulwich@...> (Bruce Krulwich)
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 12:55:04 -0400
Subject: Quotes needed

I'm interested in finding quotes from Jewish sources that relate to my thesis
work, and I haven't come across anything really good.  Maybe someone out there
can think of something.

What I'd really like is something along the lines of:

(1) When you commit an aveira, examine the various thought processes you
    engage in and beliefs you have to see which of them led to the aveira.

(2) Learning and growth requires the ability to introspect.

Or something like that.  My thesis work is in AI, and concerns (very roughly)
learning from failures by reasoning "introspectively" about the
decision-making that led to the failure.  I've looked in Mesilas Yesharim and
Shaarei Teshuva for quotes that relate, but haven't found a real good match.

Thanks for anything anyone can send me!

Dov (Bruce) Krulwich


From: Anthony Fiorino <fiorino@...>
Date: Sun, 9 May 93 04:23:21 -0400
Subject: Return of Moshe

> I personally think that if Yehoshua were to return today, he would not
> understand 1/2 of what we do, and what goes on in the contemporary
> Orthodox community.

There is a famous midrash, or piece of agadata, that Hakadosh baruch hu
sent Moshe rabeinu to the future and stuck him in the back of R. Akiva's
class, where he was completely baffled by the discussion that was taking

[Facinating piece of agadata found both in Gemarah Shabbat in the
agadata on Matan Torah, as well as a second place that I don't remember
off-hand. I gave a shiur on understanding that gemarah, among other
things, and if I ever get a bit of free time :-) I'll try and write it
up. Mod]

Eitan Fiorino


From: <rbook@...> (Robert A. Book)
Date: Tue, 18 May 93 17:32:38 -0400
Subject: Seven Mitzvot and arayot

Rechell Schwartz writes:
>3) Given 1) and 2), why should we turn up our noses when we hear about 
>  "promiscuity" among the Gentiles (e.g., pre-marital, father-daughter incest)
>   if these are permissible to them? 

Just because something is halachically permissible to non-Jews does
not mean that it is necessarily a good thing.  For example, non-Jews
are not obligated to refrain from Loshon Hara, but if you imagine a
world without gossip, you'll see a lot of good reasons to encourage
non-Jews as well as Jews to avoid it.

--Robert Book


From: Seth L. Ness <ness@...>
Date: Wed, 19 May 93 10:30:21 -0400
Subject: Shaalvim

if i remember correctly, yom shaalvim was a separate day from yom
yerushalaim and we went to the kotel then also. I think shaalvim arrived
long after merkaz hatorah had left.

Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham


From: <davidk@...> (David Kramer)
Date: Wed, 19 May 93 03:19:04 -0400
Subject: Yom Yerushalaim for 'secularists'

Eli Turkel writes about Yom Yerushalaim:

> On the other hand most secularists
> (Hilonim), at least outside of Jerusalem, don't even know it exists.
This is an exageration. While it is not celebrated - anybody who listens
to the radio (which is an overwhelming majority of Israelis) is at least
aware that it exists.

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