Volume 7 Number 78

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

         [Eli Posner]
Artscroll related questions
         [Ben Pashkoff]
Dusseldorf, Aachen, Strasbourg, and Metz
         [Howie Pielet]
Jasons Bread Crumbs
         [Chaim Schild]
Kosher Whiskey
         [Miriam Nadel]
Kosher eating in Washington, DC
         [Barry Levinson]
Learning in the Bathroom
         [Warren Burstein]
Oneis, Tinok she-nishbah, etc.
         [Henry Abramson]
Secular Studies
         [Morris Podolak]
Taking time out from lashon hara
         [Roxanne Neal]
         [Lon Eisenberg]
The "Eight-Day Skip Into the Future"
         [Yisrael Medad]
The frum community in Boston


From: Eli Posner <seposner@...>
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 22:10:18 -0400
Subject: Amsterdam

I am planning a trip via Amsterdam and was wondering if anyone out there
has any pointers in the way of kosher food, shuls and any other
information along those lines.

Thanks. Eli Posner <posner@...>


From: <ben@...> (Ben Pashkoff)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 02:35:23 -0400
Subject: Artscroll related questions

I have two questions that if someone on MJ can help me out with, I would be

1) I am currently reading the ArtScroll book on  Bircat Cohanim, and came
across a reference to the "DOVER SHALOM" and one to the "Baruch She'Amar".
The latter I believe is Baruch Halevy Epstein, otherwise known as the Tora
Temima. Who is the Dover Shalom???

2)There is a prayer for the sick at the back of the ArtScroll siddur that
my chavruta asked if I can find some information concerning its history
and background. Any takers?

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From: <pielet@...> (Howie Pielet)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 10:00:11 CST
Subject: Dusseldorf, Aachen, Strasbourg, and Metz

I will be at a steelmaking conference in Dusseldorf Sunday, June 20 through
Wednesday, June 23.  I may also go to Aachen, Strasbourg, and Metz.  I'm
trying to decide where to spend the Shabbossim before and after the conference.

I am in contact with Michel Eytan in Strasbourg.  Are there any mail-jewish
participants in those areas?

Howie Pielet   Internet: <pielet@...>  (East Chicago, Indiana, USA)


From: SCHILD%<GAIA@...> (Chaim Schild)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 08:13:55 -0400
Subject: Jasons Bread Crumbs

Does anybody know if Jasons Bread Crumbs are pas Israel ?




From: Miriam Nadel <nadel@...>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 11:32:26 PDT
Subject: Kosher Whiskey

On another related note, there was an interesting article in the Wall
Street Journal this past week about kosher vodka in Poland.  The basic
dispute is between two rabbis, each of whom claim to be the chief rabbi
of Poland.  One of them requires vodka to have certification and the
other does not.  (And so far as I know, most rabbis throughout the world
do not require vodka to be certified, though there may be peculiarities
about Polish vodka making procedures.)  The interesting part is that the
demand for kosher vodka is primarily from non-Jews who believe it is
"purer" so there appear to be some economic issues involved in the whole

Miriam Nadel


From: Barry Levinson <70571.1330@...>
Date: 10 Jun 93 14:31:11 EDT
Subject: Kosher eating in Washington, DC

My thanks to Pinchus Laufer for information about the kosher vendor outside 
the Holocaust Museum, as we are going to be touristing in DC at the end of 
the month, and 5-year olds tend to get cranky if they don't eat.  Does the 
fellow have hashgacha, or do you know him personally?  What hours does he 
tend to be there?  Lunch is really the issue, I guess.

Regarding Alan Stein's comment about GWU Hillel's Chinese kosher, that's 
what started me on the subject back in May.  This place (which had good 
food, btw) closed at the end of April, for reasons as yet obscure to me.  
It was run by the same people as Hunan Gourmet in Rockville, who didn't 
give me an explanation when I called for directions a couple of weeks ago.

So, it looks like the street vendor is it for downtown DC, at least for 


From: <warren@...> (Warren Burstein)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 03:11:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Learning in the Bathroom

But what does one do when one is in the bathroom and ones thoughts
wander from the math book to Torah?  At least my first reaction is to
remind myself that Torah study is forbidden (oops, but that, too, is
Torah), and then to wonder if thinking about how it's forbidden to
study is forbidden (now I'm not just reciting halachot, I'm starting
to learn).

On a related issue, what if one is in the bathroom and can hear
prayers, Torah reading, Shabbat songs, or someone teaching Torah (a
not uncommon occurence when a Shabbat meal is being served at the
time)?  Should one listen?  Try not to listen?  Hum to oneself?

 |warren@      But the chef
/ nysernet.org is worried.


From: Henry Abramson <abramson@...>
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 23:48:12 -0400
Subject: Oneis, Tinok she-nishbah, etc.

An excellent _sefer_ on this topic, which discusses several aspects of
persons raised in non-frum settings with particular reference to our own
difficult times, is _Avotot ahavha: kiruv rehokim be-halakha_
(Jerusalem, 1991) by Rabbis Mordechai Becher and M. Neuman.

Henry Abramson                        <abramson@...>
University of Toronto


From: Morris Podolak <morris@...>
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 93 03:13:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Secular Studies

With regard to Eitan Fiorino's comments about the place of secular
studies, I just want to say that it all depends on your reason for
engaging in such studies.  If the reason you study Greek literature,
say, is because you are enamoured with Greek literature, it is bitul
Torah period.  If you are studying Greek literature because you happen
to be a professor of Greek and need to publish or perish, then it is
part of earning a living, and we can argue about the relative merits of
earning a living this way or as a farmer (for example).  If you are
studying Greek literature in order to better understand the dangers that
the Chashmonaim faced, then I would argue that it is part and parcel of
Torah study.  I know that not everyone agrees with this point of view.
I will even admit that there is an article by Rav Kook z"l in one of the
early volumes of Techumin where he argues that Greek drama is forbidden
reading.  I certainly don't have the temerity to argue with the Rav, but
I must confess I don't entirely understand his point of view.  Now I
picked Greek literature as an example in order to be provocative, and in
order to move the discussion away from its natural course (the
sciences).  Whatever the arguments maybe for or against Greek
literature, the case for science is much stronger, and we have already
seen a number of postings elaborating on that.
 Moshe Podolak


From: <rln@...> (Roxanne Neal)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 22:22:13 PDT
Subject: Taking time out from lashon hara

Joel Rapps (mj7.64) refers to "shuls where the congregation takes time out
from L'H."  In rereading the post I realize what he meant, but on first
glance, I thought of my shul here in Los Angeles, Anshe Emes.  One of the
main reasons I joined was because of the emphasis on Shmiras Halashon.  The
rabbi is a musmach of Chofetz Chaim yeshiva, and I was impressed the first
time I was there for Yom Tov, when before Yizkor, he announced that those
who wished could leave and go out into the social hall for a few minutes,
"but NO lashon hara!"  

The shul also has a minhag, that is announced every Friday night after 
Maariv, that each family study something of the laws of Shmiras Halashon
before benching after the Friday night meal.  It's a minhag that I would
love to see spread far and wide.  Maybe there are other shuls that already
do this?  I have heard that R. Yehuda Ze'ev Segal, ztz"l, the Manchester
Rosh Yeshiva, declared shortly before he was nifter this past February that
this was an excellent idea, and that he wanted advertisements placed in
Jewish newspapers giving his recommendation that this be done in every
household.  Does anyone know more about this?


From: <eisenbrg@...> (Lon Eisenberg)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 01:06:51 -0400
Subject: Tekhelet

I'd like to thank Dr. Sheldon Z. Meth for his response to my question.  I think
one of the things he said:
>...from the Rambam it appears that wearing colored tzitzis is not meakev
>[invalidate] the Mitzvah anyway, regardless of the source of the dye.
is the point I was looking for.  Given that no dye invalidates the zitzit,
it would seem that we should all use the dye that the Radziners use.  At worst,
it is not the right tekhelet; at best, we would be performing a mizvah from
the Torah that was previously lost.  Why is this not the case?


From: OZER_BLUM%<CARMEL.DECNET@...> (Yisrael Medad)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 03:50:26 -0400
Subject: The "Eight-Day Skip Into the Future"

	I conferred with Prof. Eli Merzbach of Bar-Ilan on the subject
I raised in Vol 7 No 75.
	Yes, it is true that the possibility does exist of an eight-day
skip but our Sages trust that the Messiah will come first.  If not, then
by the end of the Sixth Millenium (another 247 years) we'll be forced to
jump ahead by eight days.

Yisrael MEDAD


From: <jpw@...>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 16:26:20 -0400
Subject: The frum community in Boston

I was just invited to a wedding in Boston, Mass. If there are any
readers from Boston who could answer some questions, such as where are
the Kosher restaurants, etc., it would be most appreciate (may as well
make a mini- vacation out of it!)



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