Volume 8 Number 67
                       Produced: Fri Aug  6  6:44:35 1993

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Computer Jobs in Israel - July 1993 Update
         [Jacob Richman]
Kashrut Organization "KOA"
         [Daniel Pittinsky]
Knowing Tanakh from the Talmud
         [Lawrence J. Teitelman]
Lemon Hekhsherim
         [Hillel Markowitz]
Mikveh Specs
         [Manny Lehman]
Missing Nun in Ashrei (2)
         [Ezra Bob Tannenbaum, Hillel Markowitz]
Rabbi A. H. Lapin Z"L
         [Morris Podolak]
Shaved Heads
         [Rena Whiteson]
Women Learning
         [Michael Allen]


From: Jacob Richman <jrichman@...>
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 20:19:19 -0400
Subject: Computer Jobs in Israel - July 1993 Update


The new July 1993 CJI listing has 266 companies with job offers. Below
is a re-post of how to subscribe.

Computer Jobs in Israel (CJI) is a one way list which will
automatically send you the monthly updated computer jobs document.
This list will also send you other special documents / announcements
regarding finding computer work in Israel.

During the first 2-3 months (startup) please do not send any requests
to the list owner regarding "I have this experience who should I
contact". Eventually this list will be an open, moderated list for
everyone to exchange information about computer jobs in Israel.

To subscribe send mail to <listserv@...> with the

sub cji firstname lastname

Good luck in your job search,

Jacob Richman (<jrichman@...>)
CJI List Owner


From: <qgs4619@...> (Daniel Pittinsky)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 09:30:35 EDT
Subject: Kashrut Organization "KOA"

Would appreciate information on a Kashrus organization called "KOA".
Symbol consists of map of U.S.A. with words "KOA" inside.

Dan Pittinsky


From: Lawrence J. Teitelman <csljt@...>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 17:14:37 EDT
Subject: Knowing Tanakh from the Talmud

Sam Goldish relates a story reflecting the fact that many yeshiva
bochrim know pesukim [verses - Ed.] in Tanakh (only) from the Talmud.
I once heard of a similar case where a student cited a pasuk [verse -
Ed.] "from the gemara" and his rebbe responded, "You're an Am ha-Aretz
de-orayta and a tzurba de-rabbanan!" (Sorry, it's not funny in

[an ignoramus Biblically and a scholar Rabbinically - Ed.]


From: <hem@...> (Hillel Markowitz)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 12:12:44 -0400
Subject: Lemon Hekhsherim

In mail-jewish (Volume 8 #65), Pinchas Edelson <Edelson@...>

>The stores are selling Minute Maid Pink Lemonade with a triangle K
>heksher on it. This product contains grape juice. It is easy to simply
>not use the product, but I am also concerned about others who may not
>have read the ingredients (if there was a problem with the kashrus of
>this product). If anyone has more information, it would be greatly
>appreciated and if I have new information I will post it.

I called the Vaad Hakashrus of Baltimore [(410) 484-4110] today (8/5)
and they as yet had no information on the grape juice. There are
people who are reluctant to use the triangle k for various reasons and
others who do. I think that if someone knows the number of the
triangle k, this would be a good question to ask.

Hillel Markowitz <H_Markowitz@...>


From: Manny Lehman <mml@...>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 03:13:27 -0400
Subject: Mikveh Specs

I suggest that Gary contacts (Rabbi?) Meir Posen, the UK and possibly
world expert on mikveh construction. I cannot imagine that he has
access to email but his postal address is 58 Queen Elizabeth's Walk,
London N16 5UX, England. Alternatively I will forward any email
message to him though this would not save much time, if any.



From: Ezra Bob Tannenbaum <bob@...>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 03:14:11 -0400
Subject: Missing Nun in Ashrei

I've enjoyed the many drashot (exegetical explanations) regarding the
missing Nun in Ashrai.

I recall when learning that passage in Berochot which discusses the
importance of Ashrai and comments on the missing Nun, we had the
question, "Why bring the passage in Amos which talks about a fallen
Israel? What prompts us to look at the word "Fallen" [Nofel] for our

The answer we had, was that the Nun is not really missing in Ashrai.
It is only hidden in the next verse, "G-d supports all the fallen
[Noflim]". So which "fallen" ones are implied here? Certainly the
"fallen" ones of Israel which are mentioned in Amos, which presents us
with a verse beginning with Nun and mentioning "fallen" ones.

Ezra Bob Tanenbaum 1016 Central Ave Highland Park, NJ 08904
home: (908)819-7533 work: (908)615-2899
email: att!trumpet!bob or <bob@...>

From: <hem@...> (Hillel Markowitz)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 12:12:55 -0400
Subject: Missing Nun in Ashrei

In mail-jewish (Vol. 8 #65), Benjamin Svetitsky
<FNBENJ@...> writes:

>As far as the Septuagint, the Gemara points out that there are several
>places where the translators unanimously (and miraculously?) changed the
>text to prevent misreadings by the goyim. Surely it is possible to come
>up with a reason why inventing this verse would fit in with their
>constraints, even thought the Gemara doesn't do so.

The gemora on the Septuagint refers only to a translation of the
Torah. The translations of Neviim and Kesuvim were made later and
combined. Since many of the differences cited by the gemora do not
exist in our copies of the Septuagint, Rav Steinsaltz (in his
commentary on that gemora) states that even the Septuagint translation
of the Torah that we have is based on later translations.

Hillel Markowitz <H_Markowitz@...>


From: Morris Podolak <morris@...>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 03:13:48 -0400
Subject: Rabbi A. H. Lapin Z"L

Some two years ago Rav A.H. Lapin, the rabbi of Congregation Am Echad
in San Jose California passed away. The community wishes to honor his
memory by publishing a collection of remeniscances. Since Am Echad is
one of the few orthodox communities in the silicon valley area, many
of the readers of Mail_Jewish may have had the opportunity of meeting
the Rav, and may have something interesting to contribute. Such
contributions can be sent of me at


and would be greatly appreciated.



From: <rena@...> (Rena Whiteson)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 93 12:12:34 -0400
Subject: Shaved Heads

> In which communities do married women shave their heads?
> Jack Reiner
> New Orleans, La.
> <jack@...>

Some, not all, of the women in Mea Shearim in Jerusalem shave their
heads when they marry. I think it depends on which shul or Kollel with
which they are affiliated.

Rena Whiteson


From: Michael Allen <allen@...>
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 09:11:44 -0500
Subject: Women Learning

It seems to me that there has been a disturbing sub-text to the entire
discussion of women learning Gemara, namely, the tacit assumption that
learning Gemara is *in and of itself* a good thing. While "torah
lishma" (learning for it's own sake) is certainly a Torah obligation,
it is an obligation with a purpose -- not an end goal itself. Recall
that there are certain times that learning is even forbidden (on Tisha
b'Av, for example), which shows that there is goal for which learning
is a vehicle. I say this with full recognition of the fact that each
of the mitzvot is, of course, important in and of itself and needs to
be done for it's own sake. Yet we also recognize that there is a
purpose for our existence in this world that transcends this world.

According to the Ramchal (R' Moshe Chaim Luzzatto) this purpose, if it
can be summed up while standing on one leg, is "d'veikus" (attachment)
to HaKadosh Baruch Hu. That is the "ikar" (main thing) and everything
else is "tafel" (dependent/secondary). Chazal did not decree that
women should not learn Gemara because she had other things to do, or
(chas v'shalom) because they wouldn't be good at it. Rather Chazal
learned from the Torah that men and women have different ways of
achieving d'veikus.

That said, people also seem to be vastly over-stating what constitutes
acceptable and forbidden studies. I would urge that people read:
"Jewish Woman in Jewish Law", Moshe Meiselman, pub. by Ktav, 1978 But
basically, women are supposed to know Halachah, and therefore are
required to learn whatever it necessary to know Halachah. That
includes halachic works, Tanach, and even Gemara. The part of Gemara
that women should not learn are those parts that are *specifically*
designed to train a one's mind in certain patterns of thought. These
particular patterns of thought (or at least this way of forcing a mind
to use these patterns) are potentially damaging to a woman and at
least impede her in achieving d'veikus. Even here, by the way, certain
exceptions are made on a case-by-case basis depending on need and in
consultation with and under the guidance of a competent halachic
authority. That last sentence, of course, applies to all aspects of
life for both men and women.


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