Volume 9 Number 92
                       Produced: Wed Nov 10 10:11:48 1993

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Haagen Dasz in France
         [Laurent Cohen]
Hechshers and your LOR (2)
         [Steven Schwartz, David Charlap]
Jewish facilities in Hong Kong, Singapore, and Bangkok
         [Ronald Greenberg]
Monsey, NY
         [Gedaliah Friedenberg]
Request for Kosher in Scotland
         [Sheri Kadish]
Roots: Geneological Program
         [Aryeh Frimer]
Shabbos in San Francisco
         [Sheldon Z. Meth]
Verse in Tanach
         [Laurent Cohen]


From: Laurent Cohen <cohen@...>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 05:59:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Haagen Dasz in France

>Haagen Daz wants to have hashgacha in Europe;

In France, Haagen Dasz products have been imported from the US for about
3 years, being the same one you have there with the OU sign on it.  They
began this year to make their products in a new plant in France. For the
moment, it still has the same OU sign on it even it is said it is made
in France.

>Welcome to gashmiut city.

Sorry for those taking only Halav Israel, but it is now possible also
here to make great melave malka with real kosher Ice cream.

Laurent Cohen


From: <schwartz@...> (Steven Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:40:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Hechshers and your LOR

  From: <ljd@...> (Leon Dworsky)

  Everyone regularly puts out what their LOR does not recomend.  How
  about putting out a list of what your LOR does recomend.  Such a list
  can't be to long to be a tedious job, and it would be helpful to all of us.  

R' Allen Schwartz (no relation) would probably recommend the Midtown
Board of Kashrut, since he sits on it.  :-)

  My LOR does not recomend anything - and I mean anything.  He
  refuses to get involved in the subject.

What kind of rav refuses to guide his congregants in matters of halacha?
I can understand (all other things being equal) his not wanting to
personally supervise an operation, but if he won't tell you what is
mutar and what is assur, then whom are you to ask?

---	Shimon Schwartz

From: <dic5340@...> (David Charlap)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 93 18:56:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Hechshers and your LOR

I know with almost certainty that everybody accepts O-U, O-K, and
Chaf-K.  Only a very very small minority do not accept these.

I don't know of any other universally-accepted ones.


From: Ronald Greenberg <rig@...>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 22:09:31 -0500
Subject: Jewish facilities in Hong Kong, Singapore, and Bangkok

I think I have up-to-date answers on some of the Hong Kong questions,
but I'd also like to get more up-to-date information than I already have
about Singapore and Bangkok.

According to somebody who was in Hong Kong up to a few months ago, the
places to eat are:
   Jewish Club  33 Queen's Rd. Central (Melbourne Plaza)  4th floor
   Shalom Grill  61 Connaught Rd.
 The places to daven are:
   Lubavitch in the Hilton Hotel (in Central) 4th floor (something like 402)
   Ohel Leah  70 Robinson Rd. (up the hill about 1/2 hr. walk from Hilton)
 As for a place to stay, I'm still working on that for myself for
mid-December, but I do have the name of one hotel in the Hilton area
that is supposed to be more reasonably priced: Garden View.

For Bangkok, somebody who was there in December tells me the shul is
in the Welcome Plaza Hotel (contradicting information I had before),
but she didn't have the address; I'd be interested in pinning down
where it is and getting up-to-date phone numbers of contact people.
I'm told that there are shabbos meals in the shul, and my plan for a
place to stay is to look through the inexpensive hotels in the Lonely
Planet tourbook for SE Asia once I figure out what part of town to aim

For Singapore, I've got the synagogue as Maghain Aboth on 24 Waterloo
St. (336-0692), but the information is two years old.  I again plan to
look for a place to stay by using the Lonely Planet book; the Y and
some inexpensive Chinese hotels seem to be in the area.  Tips on
hooking up with somebody for shabbos meals would be greatly
appreciated; somebody who has been in Singapore, told me I should not
count on getting taken care of by just showing up in shul.

Ronald I. Greenberg	(Ron)		<rig@...>


From: <friedenb@...> (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:02:59 -0500
Subject: Monsey, NY

I am leaving in a 5 weeks for Monsey, NY, to go to yeshiva for a few
(4-9) months.  If anyone can help me with any of the following
information, it would be much appreciated:

1)  Names and phone #'s of nice families (black hat types) to spend
Shabbos with.  Preferably near Ohr Somayach (yeshiva). 

2)  Anyone looking for a ride from Detroit to Monsey on Sunday, Dec. 19.

3)  A frum community where I might be able to spend the night if I
decide to do my Detroit-Monsey drive in two parts.

4)  Telnet access in the Monsey area so that I can still read m-j
while I am at Yeshiva (for telnetting to my account in Michigan) 


Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Michigan State University


From: <sheri@...> (Sheri Kadish)
Date: 8 Nov 1993  10:46 EST
Subject: Request for Kosher in Scotland

It looks like I'm going to be taking a business trip to Scotland at the
end of November or early December for 3 or 4 days. I am interested in
finding out about the kosher food situation.  In particular, I'd like
names of brands of foods I can purchase in local stores so I can each
something other than vegetables (or tuna which I'll likely bring with
me).  If any kosher restaurants or butchers that sell takeout premade
food are anywhere in the area (or even a place I could stop by on my way
from the airport), that information would be great as well.

I'll be in West Lothian, but I'm not sure yet what major cities that is
near.  It looks like my meetings will be on monday and tuesday and my
coworkers wish to fly out early to get used to the time change and also
becaus airfare is much cheaper when we stay over saturday night.
Therefore, I'd also appreciate any information about what, if any,
Jewish community might exist in West Lothian or nearby (or even near the
airport where I'll fly into) in case I need to arrange Shabbat

Please send email and I'll summarize information.  Thanks for the help.

Sheri Kadish


From: Aryeh Frimer <F66235@...>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 02:08:29 -0500
Subject: Roots: Geneological Program

   I am intersted in a program that will help me draw up a geneological
tree of my family which unfortunately only goes back in some parts for 6
generations -to be used with an IBM 386.  I've heard that such
programs are available. Do they have hebrew support? What are the prices
and advantages or disadvantages of each program. In what form does the
output appear?
   Thanks in advance
                    Aryeh Frimer

[I forwarded this message as well to the Jewish Geneological list, since
they should be able to answer this question. If I get an answer back, I
will post it to the list. Mod]


From: Sheldon Z. Meth <METH@...>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 12:40:13 -0500
Subject: Shabbos in San Francisco

My wife will be coordinating a conference in San Francisco in December.
The conference ends on Friday afternoon, so she will have to spend
Shabbat in or near town.  She's looking for a hotel that fits the
following bill:

(1) non-electronic room keys

(2) close enough to Union Square (she'll be at the Nikko for the
conference) so that she can stay at the conference as late as possible
before the "zman"

(3) walking distance to an orthodox shul

(4) proximity to a kosher place where she can obtain takeout Shabbat

(5) a small kitchen area with a small refrigerator, microwave, and

 An alternative to items 4 and 5 would be proximity to a glatt kosher
restaurant where she can pre-pay for Shabbat meals.

She knows she's pushing it, but it would be icing on the cake if the
place were also "scenic."

Does anyone out there know of a place that fits this description?  She
found just such a place last year after a conference in San Diego--a
Marriott Residence Inn in La Jolla.

By the way, she is not looking for an invitation to someone's home.  She
claims that after a week of running a conference, she's not fit for
human company!  She just wants a place to "crash."

By the way, what is candlelighting time in San Francisco on Friday,
December 17?

Replies directly to me, please (<meth@...>).

Sheldon Meth


From: Laurent Cohen <cohen@...>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 05:59:37 -0500
Subject: Verse in Tanach

If someone has Tanach on computer I'd like to know if "Da lifnei Mi ata
omeD" is in Tanach.  The reason is that it begins and ends with a daleth
as my name (DaviD) By the way I'd welcome some commentary about the
custom of saying such a verse at the end of shmonei esre.

Laurent Cohen


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