Volume 12 Number 47
                       Produced: Mon Apr 11 18:39:39 1994

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

         [Yisrael & Batya Medad]
Codes and Consequences
         [Warren Burstein]
Killing of Gentiles
         [Michael Broyde]
         [Seth Magot]
         [Leah Waintman]
Minhag Avot vs Minhag Hamakom
         [Nathan Katz]
Minimal Ma'aser?
         [Warren Burstein]
Reading on Shemoneh Esrei
         [Todd Litwin]
Sinat Hinam and Lashon Hara
         [Norma and Howard Joseph]
         [Anthony Fiorino]
Teshuvot on Nazis converting to Judaism
         [Barry Freundel]
Three Shelo Asani Berachot
         [Rabbi Freundel]
Tract on Ecstasy
         [David Ferleger]
When to wear Kipot
         [Ari Kurtz]
Working in Nissan and Tichri
         [Ari Kurtz]


From: MEDAD%<ILNCRD@...> (Yisrael & Batya Medad)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 94 08:23 IST
Subject: Chocolate

Re: posting in Vol12 No20 on chocolate on Pesach -
Chocolate is not pure chocolate.  If ingredients are read, one sees
oils, sugars, stasbilizers, lecitin (from soybeans), etc and et al.
There exist possibilities for traif, chometz or kitniyot problems

Yisrael (& Batya) Medad


From: <warren@...> (Warren Burstein)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 09:34:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Codes and Consequences

It would seem to me that if the 'codes' produced a result that
contradicted the Torah, a better ananolgy than a false prophet would
be a theorem from which one can derive both A and not A.

 |warren@      But the weeder
/ nysernet.org is ***.


From: Michael Broyde <RELMB@...>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 18:06:58 -0400
Subject: Killing of Gentiles

Much information has been requested concerning the killing of Gentiles
or Noachides.  Rav Yehuda Henkin (grandson of Rav Y.E. Henkin, and
author of Shu"t benai banim) is publishing an article in the next issue
of Shana beShana on the various halachis issues involved in killing
Gentiles.  I will attempt to summarize two of his conclusions:

1]  It is halachically prohibited to kill a Gentile, and most rishonim
rule this a bibilcal prohibition.  Normative halacha prohibits killing
a Gentile through *horedu lebor* also.
2] Only a duely authorized beit din can punish a Gentile who violates the
seven Noachide laws.  Unauthorized punishment is prohibited.


From: Seth Magot <MAGOT@...>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 13:06:16 -0400
Subject: Kohan

During a recent discussion a question about Kohan came up.  And so 
for simplicity the question is - how does one consider themselves a 

Seth Magot


From: Leah Waintman <cs932051@...>
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 13:50:53 -0400
Subject: Michlalah

<goldberg@...> (Joel Goldberg) wrote:
><sjg@...> (Susannah Greenberg) wrote:
> I'd like to take issue with Aryeh Frimer's categorization of Michlalah
> as a-zionist. I have first hand experience since I spent two years
> there 85-87.  In the afternoon [of Yom hazikaron], students were
> encouraged to go to Har Herzl
>   My sister-in-law attended the overseas program of Michlala last academic
>   year. The students were forbidden to go to Har Herzl on Yom Hazikaron.

I attended Michlalah last academic year (1992-1993) and on Yom Hazikaron 
there was a movie shown in the morning. Afterwards, the students were 
encouraged to go to Har Herzl, and in fact most did go.


From: Nathan Katz <NKATZ@...>
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:59:48 -0400
Subject: Minhag Avot vs Minhag Hamakom

If Minhag Hamakom takes precedence over Minhag Avot, then what should an
Ashkenazic Jew do when spending Pesah in the home of a Sephardic family in a
100% Sephardic community? This is not just an academic question, it is one
I've had to contend with and will have to in future. I appreciate your
thoughts. --Nathan Katz


From: <warren@...> (Warren Burstein)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 07:07:56 GMT
Subject: Minimal Ma'aser?

Len Oppenheimer writes:

>b) The Rabbanut HaRashit takes at least a minimum of Ma'aser for all
>produce procured through Tnuva

What is "a minimum of Ma'aser"?  As I understand it, either one has
separated precisely a tenth, or one hasn't taken ma'aser.

 |warren@         an Anglo-Saxon."
/ nysernet.org                       Stuart Schoffman


From: <litwin@...> (Todd Litwin)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 10:59:59 -0400
Subject: Reading on Shemoneh Esrei

I'm interested in recommendations for reading on the Shemoneh Esrei.
I've already read the ArtScroll book "Shemoneh Esrei" by Avrohom Feuer,
but it's not really what I want. As its subtitle says, it's a book of
"inspirational expositions and interpretations," and I'm not looking for
a sermon. I am more interested in an analytical approach. I'm especially
interested in the logic of the overall structure and order of the
Shemoneh Esrei, including the reasoning behind all of the structural
variations between weekday, Shabbat, Yom Tov, etc.  Given that the
Shemoneh Esrei is the central element of our thrice-daily prayer
service, I feel impelled to gain a deeper understanding of it. Can
anyone help me on this?


From: Norma and Howard Joseph <NOJO@...>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 20:43:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Sinat Hinam and Lashon Hara

It has come to my attention that the Rabbi of a prominent Orthodox
congregation in Boston has told people- specifically, ex-Montrealers-
that he does not consider the Montreal supervision known as MK to be
reliable.  Since it is the only kashrut system in montreal he has
succeeeded in demeaning this very excellent system as well as insulting
the entire Jewish community of this city. As a Rabbi here in the city
who knows of the system and its strengths and weaknesses as well I
cannot let this pass without remark. This remark is uncalled for and
should be retracted before he is brought to a Bet Din and forced to

Howard Joseph


From: Anthony Fiorino <fiorino@...>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 16:34:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Soap

Regarding my statement that the reports that the nazis made soap from
Jews:  Several people have contacted me privately to request more
information, and this request was made over m-j as well.

I saw this in writing at least once, and I saw it discussed on a
television program about the Holocaust.  I am attempting to find more
information.  Perhaps one of our Israeli members could contact yad vashem?

I know of 2 museums that at one time displayed such soap but no longer do.
This is very indirect evidence that such soap was not in fact human-
derived, unless someone can propose a more compelling reason why such an
artifact would be removed from public display.

Eitan Fiorino


From: <dialectic@...> (Barry Freundel)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 94 21:56:16 EDT
Subject: Teshuvot on Nazis converting to Judaism

Are you familiar with any Teshuvot on Nazis converting to Judaism.
Barry Freundel


From: <dialectic@...> (Rabbi Freundel)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 22:05:22 -0400
Subject: Three Shelo Asani Berachot

I would like to reccomend a different theory as to the origin of the
three Shelo Asani berachot that neatly explains why the negative
formulation which is almost never found in berachot, why the shelo
assani isha beracha is more than 1000 years older than the corresponding
Sheassani Kirtzono beracha (talmudic vs. early medieval), and removes
all "sexist charges". It is mentioned by both Jacobsen (Netiv Binah) and
Elbogen (Hatefillah Beyisrael).  Paul in his letter to the Galatians (3,
27 in the Oxford Study Edition) says that in Christianity "there is no
such thing as Jew and Greek, slave and freeman, man and woman". Is it
possible that our berachot are a polemical challenge like the birchat
haminim in the Amidah designed to maintain a woman's place and not to
diminish it. The negative then serves as the polemical attack and does
not refer to any negative experience or status for women??"


From: <DFERLEGER@...> (David Ferleger)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 14:03:45 -0400
Subject: Tract on Ecstasy


Am trying to find a translation into English of TRACT ON ECSTASY --
(london, 1963) translated by Louis Jacobs

Translation of Kunteros Ha'Hitbonanut by R. Dov Baer of Lubavitch

This is also published as an Appendix to R Shneur Zalman's TORAH OR, but
I don't know if there is English translation of Torah Or.

If anyone knows about this., please let me know.
David Ferleger


From: Ari Kurtz <s1553072@...>
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 01:28:01 +0300
Subject: When to wear Kipot

Shalom .
  This one really only applies to the israeli's on the list . It seems
to me that the present government is doing everything it can to 
seperate the nation into two group religous and secular . Which is
causing us great damage and places the jewish people as a whole in great
danger . 
  I think its about time we made things a bit difficult for them . You
see the first step the nazi's (yemach shman) took to dehumanize jews was
to set them apart we the yellow star of David . Well I admit this is
an atrocious comparison but never the less our kipot today are serving the
same perpose . So I think in order to save the nation from the government
we should wear kipot only when performing acts of kidushah . This will
also give some meaning to these things on our head . So what do sane people
think of this ? 
                                  Ari Kurtz


From: Ari Kurtz <s1553072@...>
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 01:26:57 +0300
Subject: Working in Nissan and Tichri

 In regards to the letter in v22 from Laurent Cohen <cohen@...>

>There is a Gemara in Berachot where a Rav (Rabbi Chimon Bar Yohai?)
>advised his students to learn full time all year long except in Tichri
>and Nissan where they could take the time to work in the fields.  

>My question is how can we understand the above advise with the previous

As far as I remember the reason why the students were to work in Nissan
and Tishrai since these were the cruicial seasons of the agriculture
year . And when they were most needed in the feilds . As for the time we
spend on preparing for the holidays I believe we're overdoing it but
then again that our perogative since we can afford it .
                                     Shalom Alichem
                                     Ari Kurtz


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