Volume 26 Number 83
                      Produced: Sat Jul 26 23:40:29 1997

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

A Slave who Converts
         [Michael Benklifa]
Ballgames and Squatters
         [Bert L. Kahn]
Daf Yomi
         [Eli Turkel]
Getting into your hotel room on shabbat
         [Jay Rovner]
Jewish holiday leave policy?
         [Etan Diamond]
         [Elie Rosenfeld]
learning suggestions
         [Mike Gerver]
Marriage to a Qaraite Woman
         [Ephraim Dardashti]
Memorial Plaques
         [Joseph Mosseri]
Music during the three weeks
         [David Neuman]
         [Menashe Elyashiv]
Property Taxes
         [Eric W. Mack]
Shehechiyanu when Wearing a New Garment
         [Reuven Miller]
The "protocols" of Car Buying
         [Chaim Shapiro]
Use of Solar Calendar in Siddur
         [Alan H. Stein]
Wedding anniversary celebrations
         [Eleanor Pearlman]
         [Benjamin Waxman]
Women Learning
         [Jack Stroh]
Women's Tefillah Groups: The Second Generation
         [Aryeh Frimer]


From: Michael Benklifa <Michael.Benklifa@...>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:38:23 +0200
Subject: A Slave who Converts

If I understand the halacha correctly, a slave who converts to Judaism
must then be released in 7 years.  If this is indeed the case (I may
have gotten this wrong), then wouldn't the slave be converting for
ulterior motives (i.e. freedom) rather than for the sake of Torah?  At
first blush this appears to be problematic. I would appreciate your

Michael Benklifa


From: <bilk1@...> (Bert L. Kahn)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:42:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Ballgames and Squatters

        The Pochs in their June 10 posting state that moving down to
better seats after the third inning is OK, but squatting in an apartment
is not b/c you will "be depriving either the landlord or an absent
tenant of his rights or livelihood."

        I don't know the halacha regarding a paid for stadium seat or a
rented apartment. However the gemara (I'l find out the messechta on
request) maybe Baba Kama states that a squatter is not liable for
damages when he lives in a vacant apartment b/c the landlord has lost

        Rabbi Bechhofer, I hope I said it right.

                bert l kahn


From: <turkel@...> (Eli Turkel)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:58:24 -0400
Subject: Daf Yomi

    Does anyone have any information about the upcoming siyom of the
daf yomi cycle on the internet
     email addresses, web sites, phone numbers, locations etc.



From: <jarovner@...> (Jay Rovner)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:20:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Getting into your hotel room on shabbat

	Query. In travelling, we have been finding that hotels use key
cards.  I guess that the mechanism works mechanically, but there is
usually a small light that goes on or changes color when the card is
inserted in the lock.  (One can leave the key card at the desk before
going out, but getting back in is a problem, especially where ID must be
shown to get the card.) As far as the lock goes,

1. How does one unlock the door without violating shabbat prohibitions?
(I understand that one could always ask a staff member to open the door,
but that is not always practical since there may not be someone who is
free to help, and it is not always clear that they are not jewish.)

2. Should one take anything other than the light into consideration in
terms of shabbat prohibitions?

Thank you
Jay Rovner


From: Etan Diamond <ediamond@...>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:30:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Jewish holiday leave policy?

The research center that I work for is trying to develop a Religious
Holiday policy that incorporates "Other Religious Holidays."  As the
only current employee for whom this applies, I have been charged with
writing the language of this policy.  I was wondering, therefore, if any
of you work in places that have defined policies regarding religious
holidays.  How are you allowed to make up the time?  Is it charged
against your vacation time?  Any input would be appreciated.  (I don't
subscribe to this list any more so please e-mail me directly.)

Etan Diamond, Ph.D.
POLIS Center, 301 CA					TEL # 317-274-3826
Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis	FAX # 317-278-1830
Indianapolis, IN 46202					<ediamond@...>


From: Elie Rosenfeld <erosenfe@...>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:45:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Ksuvim

>  Does anyone know of an instance (since the time of the Gra who, I
> understand, had a set) of a set of ksuvim written on parchment like a
> sefer torah?

My father has a set - purchased in Washington Heights (NYC) about 40
years ago.  He uses all of them (except Eicha) each year when leining
for his shul.

He also noted that in his day, the YU minyan had several klafim of Shir
HaShirim and at least one Russ and Koheles.  The hard one to get is
Eicha because nobody wants to write it.



From: <GERVER@...> (Mike Gerver)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:44:00 -0400
Subject: learning suggestions

My son, who just turned 15 and goes to a sports/learning summer camp,
told me he likes the sports but finds the learning boring. They learn
with a chevrusah, and have a choice of what they want to learn, and he
asked me for suggestions. Maybe the problem is unsolvable, since he
probably wouldn't consider any learning as exciting as zapping zombies
on his computer screen, which he what he spends much of his free time
doing at home. But does anyone have any ideas, based on experiences with
other kids? (He goes to public school during the year, and is behind the
day school kids in limudei kodesh, but I've seen plenty of day school
kids his age with similar attitudes.) Please reply directly to me as
well as posting to mail-jewish, since he will only be at camp for
another two and a half weeks, and any suggestions will be most useful if
received soon.

Mike Gerver, <gerver@...>


From: <yehudi@...> (Ephraim Dardashti)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:05:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Marriage to a Qaraite Woman

If one were to marry a Qaraite woman, would the bride have to go through
giyur?  How about Shomroniyot?


From: <JMOSSERI@...> (Joseph Mosseri)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 22:32:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Memorial Plaques

To the person who asked about the meaning of the acronym after the name of
the deceesed on memorial plaques in a Sephardic synagogue;
The letters are Tav, Noon, Sadi, Bet, Heh.
They stand for Tihi Nafsho Seroura Bissror Hahayim.

Joseph Mosseri


From: <dav-el-svc@...> (David Neuman)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:04:51 EDT
Subject: Music during the three weeks

There was discussion in previous mail that some poskim give a heter to
listening to music during the S'fira as long as it is not lively music. 
Does any know if the same applies to the three weeks and the nine days? 
Thanks,  Dovid Neuman,    <DAV_EL_SVC@...>


From: Menashe Elyashiv <elyashm@...>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:09:56 +0300 (WET)
Subject: Pizza

Our LOR said to check what the pizza dough is made from.
If it is kneaded with milk then it is mezonot.
If it is kneaded with water then it is hamotzi even on 1 piece. 1 piece
weights more then 30 grams.


From: <ce157@...> (Eric W. Mack)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:12:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Property Taxes

Here in Ohio the County reappraises our real estate every three years.
The County dutifully noted our 2-room addition and in- creased our taxes
accordingly.  But a frum neighbor told me that the County records
reflect he has a 3-bedroom house, although his house is really 5
bedrooms (2 bedrooms added by the previous owner).  Does he have an
obligation to notify the County of the error?

Eric Mack    <ce157@...>


From: <millerr@...> (Reuven Miller)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:16:09 +0300 (WET)
Subject: Shehechiyanu when Wearing a New Garment

>> From: <millerr@...> (Reuven Miller)
>> Could anyone suggest an _Ashkanasi_ source for the wide spread custom of
>> making a shehechiyanu when wearing a new garment and not when buying it

Shalom, I discovered a Mashiv Davar (Naziv) chelek A on Orach Chaim 22
or 23 that discusses and is posak that one _always_ makes bracha at time
of wearing garment.



From: Chaim Shapiro <ucshapir@...>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:47:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: The "protocols" of Car Buying

  I've spoken to many jews, both orthodox and secualr who refuse to buy
either German made or Ford cars.  Anyone have thoughts or feelings????



From: Alan H. Stein <stein@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:42:56 -0400
Subject: Use of Solar Calendar in Siddur

I'm curious about the following.

In on spot in the Amidah, the siddur I have (Siddur Limot Hachol) calls
for saying "Bless the earth with dew and rain" from December 4 to
Pesach, while saying "Bring blessing upon the whole earth" the rest of
the time.  Another siddur I have (Sim Shalom) uses the dates "between
December 5 and Pesach" and "between Pesach and December 4."  Aside from
the ambiguity (which does one say during Pesach?), I'm curious as to how
and when it came about that a solar date (December 4 or 5) came into use
in the siddur.

Alan H. Stein                     <stein@...>
Department of Mathematics         http://www.math.uconn.edu/~stein
The University of Connecticut
32 Hillside Avenue                Voice: (203) 236-9859
Waterbury, CT 06710               Fax:   (203) 236-9805


From: Eleanor Pearlman <epearlma@...>
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:59:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Wedding anniversary celebrations

 Although I realize that this list is one for halachic discussion, I
have been asked a question of minhag, and do not know the answer. I hope
I'm not out of place in asking this question here.

[No you are not, this is fine within the definition of the list - Mod]

 One of my dearest friend's children are planning a surprise 25th
anniversary party for their parents and would like to know if there are
any Jewish customs around that occasion. The idea of "silver" to
commemorate the date is not something they know the origin of or have
any tie to, and as both parents have strong Jewish and Zionist
identities they would like to know if there is something special that
they can give as a gift (besides the party) that would be meaningful.

Thanks in advance.
Eleanor Pearlman


From: Benjamin Waxman <benjaminw@...>
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 18:20:27 +0300
Subject: Wigs

There was a discussion a few months ago regarding hair covering.  I have
a different question: Does anyone know sources regarding the
permissibility of a woman wearing a wig in place of a hat/scarf?  I know
that there are poskim who are dead set against it (e.g. Rav Ovadia).
But Minhag Yisrael is that wigs are permitted (lehatchila).  Can anyone

Ben Waxman, Project Manager
email: <BenjaminW@...>
Telephone: +972-2-6528274 ext. 112	Fax: +972-2-6528356
LiveLink Systems Ltd.  http://www.livelink.com


From: Jack Stroh <jackst@...>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 22:31:19 -0400
Subject: Women Learning

My mother-in-law asked me to try to find out any sources for "Women
Learning," whether they are allowed, what they are allowed, etc. Thanks.


From: Aryeh Frimer <Aryeh.Frimer@...>
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:56:47 -0400
Subject: Women's Tefillah Groups: The Second Generation

	I have been receiving informal reports from the "field"  (Teaneck
NJ;  Skokie IL;  Newton, MA;  Lincoln Square NY etc.) that  the daughters
of the Orthodox Tefillah group members  (younger generation  now in their
late teens and 20's)  are NOT joining prayer groups.  Some have suggested
that they are more into learning, and dream of being Poskot - not
hazaniyot.  Do others find this true as well?  What are possible
		Be-nehamat Zion ve-yerushalayim


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