Volume 26 Number 84
                      Produced: Sun Jul 27  6:55:18 1997

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Rabbi Aharon Rakeffet's comments on separate seating
         [Jacob Levenstein for Rabbi Aharon Rakeffet]


From: <levenstein@...> (Jacob Levenstein for Rabbi Aharon Rakeffet)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:28:32 +0200 (IST)
Subject: Rabbi Aharon Rakeffet's comments on separate seating

[My apologies on the delay in getting this out. I think this is a very
important posting, and I did not want to send it out right when I knew
there was a strong possibility I would not make it back on the net for a
while. Sending it out now is my commitment to you to be here for you all
now for a while. Mod.]

Rabbi Rakeffet made the following comments at the Yeshiva University
Kollel in Yerushalayim on May 20, 1997. I have attempted to clarify what
he said by adding a few words. My additions are those that appear in
square brackets [such as these].

Rabbi Rakeffet's spoken style differs markedly from the style of his
academic writing. To fully appreciate Rabbi Rakeffet as a melamed I
encourage the reader to attend his shiurim. If this is not possible, I
encourage the reader to at least listen to his many tapes.

Jack Levenstein

Gentlemen, I want to come back to something I spoke about rather quickly
after class a few weeks ago. Jack put it into the internet and a lot of
people have commented on it. I want to clarify what I said.

I want to point out that one thing in the internet was wrong, I don't know 
how it happened, someone misunderstood me or maybe my tongue slipped. The 
story of the Chafetz Chaim and the person coming to him for Shabbos who 
asked that there be separate seating was not the Gerrer Rebbe. It was 
Maharam Lublin, Rav Meir Shapiro, the Lubliner Rav. It is an absolute true 
story that before he comes to Radin, he tells the Chafetz Chaim I am going 
to be in Radin for Shabbos, I would like to be at your table. The Chafetz 
Chaim says, "with pleasure." The Maharam Shapiro, [also known as] the 
Maharam Lublin was a gaon adir beyisrael, the founder of Chachmai Lublin 
Yeshivah. He knew that the Chafetz Chaim was a Litvak, i.e., men and women 
eat together. Maharam Shapiro asks the Chafetz Chaim to separate, that is, 
to put his wife at a different table. The Chafetz Chaim answers that if 
that is the case you can't be my guest. It is an absolutely true story.

Now I want to explain myself and explain myself well. I have to tell you 
in advance, some people said that if you don't have a mechitzah at a 
wedding, men look at other women, speak with other women, get involved in 
love triangles, ultimately divorce. If this is true then my words have 
absolutely no relevancy whatsoever. They are batail, mevutal, ke'afra 
de'ara [nullified as the dust of the earth]. At every wedding there should 
be not only mechitzot but mad dogs which can read minds and if any man who 
is not allowed to [look at women] (I am not saying single fellows. A 
single fellow has a right to look at a girl, mitzad the halakhah [from a 
halakhic point of view]); but if any man looks at another woman 
licentiously the dogs should eat him up on the spot. [If this is the 
reality] then I have my own problems. I will go home and I will go back 
and sit down with my Rebbe [Rav Soloveitchik], with Rav Moshe Feinstein, 
with Rav Yaakov Kamenitsky, and live in the 1950s as I lived, baruch 
Hashem, and go back to a normal world. My words have no relevancy if that 
critique is correct.

What I am saying is something entirely different. We have a problem today, 
in my opinion, in the Torah world, whether we are modern orthodox or 
right-wing orthodox. Our sexual standards have broken down. Let me make 
something clear to you. If something is an aberration [Rabbi Rakeffet will 
soon explain what this something is.] I would not be speaking about this. 
I would not eat my heart out. I gave lectures in Midreshet [Moriah] that 
everyone should hear on [what should be our] attitude towards sex. I would 
not eat my heart out if it was an aberration.

There are always going to be menuvalim [people living on a degrading moral 
level]. I am frankly offended by the Torah when we come to the Ten 
Commandments where it says "lo tirtzach". I have never even thought of 
murdering someone in my life. "lo tignov". When is the last time I robbed? 
"lo tinaf". I have been married on to 40 years, I have never even thought, 
I don't even want to say the word in English, of adultery. Come on. I am 
offended by the Torah. But what can I do? I have lived long enough to know 
that there are menuvalim. There are always going to be menuvalim. There 
are going to be murderers with beards and payos and big yarmulkes or 
people who look like me [who] are going to be murderers. There are going 
to be thieves and there are going to be adulterers. So the Torah has to 
tell us [how to deal with them].

[As to] if it is an aberration [or not, consider the following]. You have 
to think in halakhic terms. There is miyut hanikar [recognizable minority] 
and miyut she'aino nikar [a not noticeable minority]. An aberration means 
a miyut she'aino nikar. Unfortunately today it is a miyut hanikar [and we 
cannot ignore it].

We in the modern orthodox world have our problems. Single girls going to 
mikvah. I am not going to talk about that now [nor the other problems in 
the modern orthodox world]. I also feel that the charaidi world [has 
problems], and to me it is obvious [what is happening in that world]. I 
live part of the year in America. I know what is going on. I know what is 
going on here [in Eretz Yisrael], and I am not going to illustrate it out 
of "kvod Elokim hastair davar..." (Mishlai 25,2) ["It is the glory of G-d 
to conceal a matter..." What Rabbi Rakeffet is saying is that out of 
respect to Hashem, certain things should be hidden and not spoken about.] 
I don't have to tell you all that I know. I could give you names, by the 
way, of people and single girls and what not. Forget it. The charaidi 
world has a different problem and if Chaim Soloveitchik is correct [in his 
article titled] "Rupture and Reconstruction", within 15 years, their 
problems will be our problems.

I articulate this problem very simply. They are developing an Ada veTzilah 
mentality [Beraishit 4, 19 and Yerushalmi Yevamot ch. 6 halakhah 5). 
Peshuto kemashma'o [to be taken literally]. On one hand they are very 
frum, very pious. They do what they are taught with a wife who grew up 
under the same concepts. [However, there] is a miyut hanikar, some who can 
afford it. [They] have mistresses, houses of ill repute, affairs, etc. and 
it is frightening. The statistics are there. Anyone who goes to New York 
can see with his own eyes. Rabbi Cooperman once came back from a trip to 
America in the 1970s and he was shaking, because a former student of his, 
a yoraid [resident of Israel who leaves for the diaspora], who was a taxi 
driver in New York and who had been a student when he [,Rabbi Cooperman,]
taught in "Boys Town" [a school in Yerushalayim]. This student gave him a 
tour of New York and took him to the Port Authority area at night and he 
came back shaking. He told me [about] all the black [not Afro-Americans 
but rather those wearing black clothing] he saw in that area. He couldn't 
believe his eyes. That's America. That's the Western world. It grows into 
your bones. Sex is on every street corner.

What bothers me is there is a falshe frumkeit here. Rav Yerucham Gorelick 
used to use that word. I have to tell you, Rav Yerucham was so insightful 
that I shiver and I shake today. [For example,] in my days in Y.U. there 
was [only] one boy who wore his tzitzit out. One boy! [Years later] I 
taught his daughter. I taught his son. Every time he walked into class 
with his tzitzit out, Rav Yerucham went crazy. I cannot repeat what he 
said to him in public. "Falshe frumkeit, ayich mit ayer falshe frumkeit" 
[false religiosity, you with your false religiosity] Rav Yerucham was 
going off the wall. f.f., falshe frumkeit! I don't know how Rav Yerucham 
called the shot. That boy, [now a] man, became a chazan in one of the 
biggest Conservative shuls in the United States. If I ever meet 
him......... I don't like falshe frumkeit.

Now, we live in a world where men and women intermingle. Therefore, the 
halakhah is as follows. The Rambam Hilkhot Ishut Perek 24 Halakhah 12 uses 
a word in terms of tzniyut. He writes that women have to go out of their 
house with a "radid". That is his term. What is a "radid"? There is only 
one explanation for radid. It is a veil. Show me one woman walking around 
in Meah Shearim today who is not an Arab who has a veil on her face. So 
you see, without going into great lamdus [learning], and I spoke at great 
length with Rav Aharon Lichtenstein, [and] he spoke with the Rav about 
this, there is a certain subjectivity with those aspects of tzniyut that 
are not de'oraita [Torah law].

When the Rema paskens that you can't say "shehasimcha beme'ono" when men 
and women are sitting together, the Maharam Yafa doesn't disagree. Someone 
[responding via e-mail] said we don't pasken like the Maharam Yafa. It is 
nothing to do with the way we pasken. He [Maharam Yafa] doesn't disagree 
with the Rema. All he says is, a hundred years later [i.e. 100 years after 
the Rema], that we today are used to men and women sitting together. 
Therefore we have no problem saying "shehasimchah beme'ono".

We should educate our men and women in the charaidi and in the modern 
orthodox world, [to] develop a wonderful relationship with each other. 
Marriage is a lot more than just a physical or an earthly union to enable 
you to discharge the obligations of "pru urevu" [be fruitful and multiply] 
and "onah" [relations]. Marriage is something else, way beyond that. And I 
don't think it was ever said better than the gemara in Gittin 90b, quoting 
Malachi 2, verses 13 and 14. The gemara says something overwhelming. It is 
[found at] the very end of Gittin:

"Kol hamigaraish ishto rishonah, afilu mizbeach morid alav demaot, 
shene'emar, vezot shainit ta'asu kesot dimah et mizbeach Hashem bechi 
ve'anaka maiayin od penot el haminchah velakachat ratzon miyadchem"

["If a man divorces his first wife, even the altar sheds tears, as it 
says, "and this further ye do, ye cover the altar of Hashem with tears, 
with weeping and with sighing, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering 
any more, neither receiveth it with good will at your hand." (Soncino)]

I refuse to take any of your offerings! The mizbeach is crying! And the 
prophet [continues]:

"ve'amartem al mah?, al ki Hashem hai'id baincha uvain aishet neurecha 
asher atah bagadetah bah, vehi chavairtecha ve'aishet britecha."

["Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because Hashem hath been witness between thee and 
the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously, though 
she is thy companion and the wife of thy covenant."] [The English 
translations are from Soncino.]

When you divorce your wife, you are a traitor [against] the wife of one's 
youth. Look at the words, "chavairtecha ve'aishet britecha." A person 
should feel towards his wife, and vice versa, [that she is] his best 
friend. [She is] his confidant. [She] is his soulmate. [She] is a lot more 
than just his sexual partner or the mother of his children. To me, 
wherever I go I always want my wife at my side. I have seen gedolai 
Yisrael. I grew up watching the Rav. I saw Rav Moshe. I saw Rav Yaakov. I 
saw the way they related to their wives. It was a living mussar saifer 
[ethics book]. It was truly chavairtecha ve'aishet britecha.

I come to weddings. I don't have that much time to go out at night. You 
saw how I was introduced [referring to the previous Sunday's public 
lecture]. Mike Strick once again [refers to my time spent in] Russia. 
Baruch Hashem, I have lived many, many different lives. Sometimes I am 
overwhelmed by how many different lives I have lived. I have never yet 
walked into the classroom unprepared and I never published anything that 
was found faulty. [Rabbi Rakeffet's commitment to the quality and accuracy 
of his teaching and to his published work requires a tremendous commitment 
of time.] You make a mistake, here, there. Some other document comes up 
[requiring a revision to what was published]. I published thousands of 
pages. When you publish you go before am veaidah [nation and community]. I 
am not ashamed to tell you that there has never been a major correction in 
my works.

I am always busy. People call me and say, "Rebbi are you busy?" I say, "If 
I wouldn't be busy, would I be your Rebbi?", but please you called, you 
have a sheailah [question], go ahead.

I try my best to go out with my wife once a week. It doesn't always work 
out that way. When I go to a wedding I go to mesameach chatan vekallah 
[cause the groom and bride to rejoice]. But there is a meal. You are 
sitting. You're talking. The greatest joy is to have my wife next to me. 
She is my chavairah. She is my aishet briti. She is a lot more than just 
my physical partner or the mother of my children and grandchildren. She is 
my confidant. She is smarter than me. She supplements me, complements me. 
Sometimes helps me paskin sheailot [make halakhic decisions]. I always 
appreciate when someone asks me a question [while] my wife is listening. 
Her input to me is sacred.

Tzniyut is tzniyut. I reiterate, if people normally eat separate Friday 
night, then I understand [that] when they make a wedding they are going to 
have separate seating. They live in the Rema's framework, not the Levush's 
framework. Notice my words. I understand it [this type of behaviour]. I 
saw [this] with my own eyes at the engagement party for the son of a close 
friend. My friend's son-in-law is a Gerrer chasid. I saw this young man 
trembling because he couldn't enter a room where there were women. I saw 
with my own eyes. I was overwhelmed. I was shocked, but I have to respect 
it. He has a right, pluralism. I spoke about it Sunday night.

[One of Rabbi Rakeffet's comments Sunday night was that once we say 
"na'aseh venishma", pluralism is our right. We can be chassidim, 
mitnagdim, Lakewood, Y.U., Washington Heights, sephardim, ashkenazim, 
taimanim, etc., etc., etc., but this is only after na'aseh venishma.]

I [was] invited to the Gerrer Rebbe's nephew's shevah berachos. I [went] 
knowing [there] was going to be separate seating. However, when I am 
invited to Chaim Yankel's [child's] wedding, the same Chaim Yankel who 
sits mixed Friday night, goes to restaurants with his wife, goes here and 
there with his wife, with his girlfriends, etc., suddenly at his wedding, 
the falshe frumkeit. It is frightening to me.

[Rabbi Rakeffet is not saying that every man who has separate seating at 
his simchahs also has a mistress and girlfriends. He is insisting on 
consistency in the practice of separate seating. He is also saying that 
there is a recognizable minority that does have mistresses, etc., and that 
to prevent further deterioration among our people we need to try and 
restore the way husbands and wives relate to each other to emulate what 
Rabbi Rakeffet saw among the Torah giants of his youth.]

In the charaidi world there is a real problem today. As to the Poppover 
Rebbe, what happened there, I can't even mouth it, I don't want to tell 
you, but this is not an aberration. It is a miyut hanikar. The pilagshim 
[concubines] didn't come out of the modern orthodox world. The pilagshim 
came out of a certain right-wing world, whatever truth there is to it. 
[see The Washington Post, June 2, 1996] But you cannot deny that in 
Lakewood there is guy living with a pilegesh, bifnai am veaidah [before 
the nation and the community]. He has two apartments, two "wives", two 
sets of children. This is already not an aberration. This is frightful. We 
have developed an Adah veTzilah mentality.

These people who had pilagshim were interviewed. Hashem yerachem. [May 
Hashem have mercy.] These are Bais Yaakov girls speaking. It is mind 
boggling. It is mamash [literally] Adah ve Tzilah, except it is a Jewish 
girl. For many others it is a Puerto Rican. (New York is New York.) By the 
way, vee zekristzelzach, azoy yiddelsach [as the Christian acts so does 
the Jew]. We have our problems here too [in Israel], much less 
percentage-wise, but the problems are in place, because we are also part 
of the Western world here.

Now, what gives me the right to speak like this? First of all, I have to 
tell you I was just told, that Rabbi Frand [dealt with this issue on a 
tape]. I refused to listen to the tape [until after I gave my response 
today]. [I was told about this tape by] someone who picked this up [on the 
internet]. I can't believe what goes on. Put something in the computer and 
every one in the world suddenly is responding as if he is in the 
classroom. [It was] one of my students [who] picked it up on the internet. 
He called me the other day, "Rabbi Frand says exactly what you said, 
exactly. He says that if they eat separately Friday night....". I couldn't 
believe my ears. Baruch shekivanti [a Rabbinic aphorism used when one 
comes up with, independently, an insight that someone of greater stature 
also developed earlier]. I guess I belong in Ner Yisrael. When I heard 
Rabbi Frand says..... I have to get an honorary semichah from Ner Yisrael.

I am going to do you one better. I couldn't believe it when Jack told me 
that he didn't know about [the following]. Then it dawned upon me. This 
all happened before you Rabbis were even born. I think I am 22 yet! You 
guys are 25, 26. This happened before you were born.

When I came on aliyah, the State of Israel was shaking. You don't even 
have to quote Rabbi Frand. That he agrees with Rabbi Rakeffet, [compared 
to the following it is almost] unimportant. [But] when the Steipler agrees 
with Rabbi Rakeffet and the Steipler thinks like Rabbi Rakeffet, wow.

May I quote the Rav to you. He used to say that his elter zayde [great 
grandfather], Rav Yosaif Ber used to say [that] when he thinks out a 
certain chiddush and he sees others [also] say it, he is very proud, 
because he knows he is going on the main highway.

This is the famous letter. [At this point Rabbi Rakeffet showed the letter 
to the class.] When I came on aliyah this letter was circulating by hand 
in all the yeshivot in Israel. When anyone got married they gave you a 
copy. If anyone wants a copy, it is right in front of you. Its $10,000 a 
copy. [This is Rabbi Rakeffet's humorous but insightful way of emphasizing 
to his students the value of a shiur on which he worked very hard or the 
value of a great chiddush. We should value Torah properly, and, nowadays 
money is the measure we use for value.] Be my guest. Add it to the I.O.U. 
list. [Rabbi Rakeffet maintains an imaginary I.O.U. list of the tens of 
thousands of dollars that his students owe him for his special chidushim. 
Many of his students who eventually become prosperous actually repay their 
debts to him by their support of Shvut Ami and of the International 
Coalition for Missing Israeli Soldiers. Rabbi Rakeffet devotes much of his 
invaluable time to these two organizations.]

I think you are getting a bargain at $10,000. Believe me. I am in a 
benevolent mood this morning, so I set a low price. If anyone wants to 
make copies, the office should make [their photocopier] available to you. 
I don't think you can enter the Rabbinate without [this letter]. It is an 
amazing letter.

[Rabbi Rakeffet told me that the heart of the letter can be found at the 
end of the book titled "Zivug Min Hashamayim" by Rabbi Nathan Drazin, 2nd 
edition, published in 1975. The Steipler originally wanted his letter to 
circulate hand to hand.]

[The event that caused the Steipler to write the letter] happened in Bnai 
Brak. I imagine there had to be Americans involved. Whenever there is 
extremism you have to find Americans involved; but I may be wrong.

It was a group of people in Chazon Ish [Yeshivah] in Bnai Brak. The 
Steipler was the last surviving brother-in-law of the Chazon Ish. [The 
Steipler's name was] Rav Yaakov Yisrael Kanyevsky.

By the way, [the Steipler] served in the Russian army. [Did] you know 
that? The [Steipler] rav was a gadol, gadol, shebigdolim. He was drafted 
into the Russian army and he served. He was in shiryon [armour]. He was 
deaf. They say the Steipler was deaf [and] that is why he could devote all 
his life to learning. No one could bother him. He was deaf, they say, from 
the guns. One went off right near him or a shell landed near him and he 
lost a good deal of his hearing. He was the gadol hador when I came on 

This chug [group] got involved..., I don't even want to mouth the language 
here. It is hard for me to say it. They took an attitude towards sex 
[,namely, that] we are going to be machmir like the gemara in Ketuvot, daf 
48a, the famous gemara, "Haomer i efshi ela ani bebigdi vehi bebigdah" [I 
will not unless she wears her clothes and I mine (Soncino)]. The Ramban 
quotes the gemara in parshat mishpatim on the verse: she'airah, kesutah 
ve'onatah lo yigra (Shemot 21, 10). [This group in Bnai Brak said,] "We 
want the minimum enjoyment out of sex, no enjoyment out of sex. We are 
just doing it leshaim mitzvah." The women came crying to the Steipler and 
the Steipler writes a letter [expressing his views of], if I can summarize 
with two words, falshe frumkeit, a bunch of phonies.

Every woman knows about sex today. We live in a different world. What went 
on in the time of chazal is not applicable today. You're being machmir and 
your wives are crying. You leave them empty. Then he goes on like a sex 

I remember a married woman in Michlalah, in one of my post-graduate 
classes in 1971 said to me, "Rav Rakeffet aizeh bizayon zeh shehagadol 
betorah tzarich lehazbir letalmidav aich lehiyot bnai adam." [Rabbi 
Rakeffet, what a disgrace that a great man of Torah has to explain to his 
students how to be human beings.] She hit the nail on the head. In the 
letter you will see foreplay, chibuk, nishuk, Ribono shel Olam, but this 
letter is right on. In the spirit of that letter, [I refer the reader to 
section 5 in the original, in particular] that is exactly where my 
thinking comes from.

We have to have a healthy attitude towards women, towards sex, towards 
marriage. This has to be encouraged. It has to be developed, [based on] 
chazal, [and] understanding. But Ribono shel Olam, not with falshe 
frumkeit [which might result in our] developing a dichotomy. [By this I 
mean] here I am living with Adah, but when no one is looking, I am having 
a lot of fun with Tzilah. Hashem yerachaim. This is a problem. This is 
modern life, the Western World. There is no one living in a ghetto today. 
It creeps into our bones.

Finally I conclude. You want to know something. If we want to know how to 
inculcate frumkeit values, I always quote Rav Yechiel Yaakov Weinberg, 
that famous teshuvah, chailek 2, teshuvah 8 of the Seridai Aish. Rav 
Yechiel Yaakov saw the best of both worlds. He was a Litvak. He [Rav 
Weinberg] becomes, I would say a discordant person afterwards. At times he 
is a Litvak [while] at times he is a German scientific scholar. I don't 
think he found a harmonious relationship between them. I think his 
criticisms of Rav Chaim Heller reveal the man's mind very well. 
Nevertheless, he has a right to remain discordant. The Rav [Rav Yosaif Dov 
Halevi Soloveitchik] also, in my opinion, never integrated. In terms of 
[actual studying], it was never Torah umadah under one roof [i.e., in the 
same classroom]. It was a harmonious co-relationship. In Rav Yechiel 
Yaakov's case it was a harmonious co-relationship of Lithuania with a 
German scientific approach, a Hildesheimer approach. In his teshuvah [we 
see that] he knew both worlds. He says when it comes to chinuch, we must 
bow before the German rabbanim. He says where I come from, Lithuania, when 
a woman went to high school and college, 99% of the time she became not 
frum. [On the other hand], in Germany women are professionals, women are 
doctors, and all of them wear shaitels and are medaktekot bemitzvot kallot 

Rav Yisrael Salanter came in to Rav Azriel Hildesheimer's school to see 
him. (Rav Yisrael Salanter lived in Germany for many years, as you know.) 
They told Rav Salanter that Rav Hildesheimer was giving a shiur. Rav 
Yisrael Salanter goes into the bais medrash to see what the shiur is 
about. He comes in and the whole bais medrash is filled with women. Rav 
Yisrael said if a rav were to do that in Lithuania, they would put him in 
chairem. But he says, "Yehi chelki beolam haba [Let my portion in the 
world to come be] with what Rav Azriel Hildesheimer is doing here in 

This is why the Yekkis had the best of both worlds. [By this I feel Rabbi 
Rakeffet means that German Orthodox women were all of the above that he 
described earlier, i.e. best friends, companions, etc., and in addition 
they were the intellectual equals of their husbands. Above all, they were 
totally committed to the Halakhah.] The classic Yekki seating was husband, 
wife, wife, husband, husband, wife, wife, husband. Eight people at a 
table, you had your wife next to you. On the other side was a man. There 
was no mixed seating [in a certain sense] and yet there was a healthy 

I can never forget in my time, in Y.U. circles I never heard of separate 
seating, until I left America. It wasn't shayach [relevant], not just [in] 
Y.U. [circles], [but also] in the Litvishe circles. Rav Aharon Kotler, Rav 
Moshe Feinstein, Rav Yaakov Kamenitzky, the Rav, how many weddings [did 
they attend] with absolute mixed seating. There was separate dancing, but 
mixed seating. It was normal. It was par for the course. For their own 
children, (I was at the weddings), there was mixed seating. There was no 
question about it.

I just spoke to someone yesterday whose grandfather was one of the great 
American rabbanim, Rav Sholomitz, he has pictures at the Agudas Harabanim 
[dinner, where] everyone is sitting with his rebbitzen. Each one's kavod 
[honour] was with his rebbitzen. [They were proud to say], "This is my 
rebbitzen." Believe me, these great rabbanim behaved in front of their 
rebbitzens. If their rebbitzens wouldn't have been there, who knows what 
would have happened to the [Torah] world over kashrut, and [because of] 
infighting. But with their rebbitzens, these were their pride. These were 
their joy. Each one was their "nevat bayit" (Tehillim 68, 13) [See 
ArtScroll Tehillim for an explanation of this phrase.]

I remember when in right wing circles the first outflow of the Hungarian 
or the Chassidic influence appeared in America [and this] ultimately leads 
to everything we have today, universal glatt kosher, and this attempt at 
separate seating, etc. I remember Rav Yosaif Breuer who was revered. He 
was a man who was baki in all of shas. He said [that] he is not in favour 
[of separate seating]. He is against [separate seating]; but if you can't 
stem the tide, the young people have to sit mixed. When they asked why, he 
said, "Because mitzvah gorreret mitzvah [the fulfillment of one 
commandment leads to the fulfillment of another]. We want people to make 
shiduchim. We want boys and girls to meet. We want dates to come out of 
this [wedding]." This was a beautiful, a normal, and, above all, a healthy 

This is what I wanted to say to clarify my words. I end off again making 
it very clear. If people have licentious thoughts, every word I said is 
batail, mevutal, keafra de'ara. [If so] I go back into the 1950s [and that 
is where I shall live]. I leave the Torah world [of today] very merrily. 
Zayt gezundt, draitsoch ayer kep [not translatable]. Just don't bother me. 
I have what to do with my life, before G-d and man.

Jacob Levenstein
P.O. Box 4548 - Jerusalem - 91044 Israel
Voice: +972-(0)2-5619006
Cellular (Usually Jack): +972-(0)50874378


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