Volume 35 Number 62
                 Produced: Tue Nov 13  6:20:13 US/Eastern 2001

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

BT pamphlet
         [Janet Rosenbaum]
concerts during aveilut
Hechsher on an apple (7)
         [Tzvi Harris, Ira L. Jacobson, Akiva Miller, Y. Askotzky,
Shmuel Himelstein, Judi Janette, Hillel E. Markowitz]
Is this public domain?
         [Sam Steingold]
Low Protein Foods
         [Seth Ness]
Postdoctoral fellowship
         [Victor Gaba]
Raising wages
Rav Hirsch sometimes disagreed with Rishonim/Acharonim on words
         [Russell Jay Hendel]
Shlomo dethroned
         [Jacob Sasson]
Shofar and Neilah
         [Neal B. Jannol]
Sudilkov Website Updated
         [Ginsburg, Paul]
Torat Emet: Defending the Faith
         [Gil Student]
Request: Kosher Food in Seville Spain


From: Janet Rosenbaum <jerosenb@...>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:43:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: BT pamphlet

Does anyone know if there is an on-line copy of the pamphlet "How To Get
Deeper Into Torah Without Going Off The Deep End"?

Thank you,



From: Anonymous
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:01:36 -0500
Subject: concerts during aveilut

Someone I know who is in the last month of aveilut [mourning] for a parent
has received a heter [permission] to go to a concert, ostensibly because the
music is a cappella (i.e., no musical instruments, just voices).

I don't understand this heter - if this is indeed the reason for it - the
singing is still music, it's still enjoyment, it's still a large gathering
of people - so what's the basis for a heter? Or is there a difference
because the period of saying Kaddish has already ended?


From: Tzvi Harris <ltharris@...>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:20:09 +0200
Subject: Hechsher on an apple

>Why in the world would an apple need kashrut certification?  I could
understand perhaps if the apple was from Israel, to satisfy concerns
regarding shemita, orlah, maaser, etc.  But from New Zealand?  Are there
Jews who are so makpid that they would not eat a piece of fresh fruit
without hashgacha?>

Apples are sometimes coated with a substance that makes them shine.   I
believe there is a machloket as to the kashrut of the substance used on
some apples (I think it might be particular to green apples).  Perhaps
someone else on the list knows more about this.

Tzvi Harris
Talmon, Israel

From: Ira L. Jacobson <laser@...>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:45:44 +0200
Subject: Re: Hechsher on an apple

Probably to assure us that the shiny coating on was made of only kosher
(and presumably non-animal) ingredients.

                        Ira L. Jacobson

From: <kennethgmiller@...> (Akiva Miller)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:26:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Hechsher on an apple

My guess is that the certification refers to the preservatives and waxes
which are often sprayed on fresh fruit. My understanding is that the
waxes used in the US are all acceptable, but perhaps the ones used in New
Zealand are problematic.

According to http://www.kosher.co.il/orgs/australia.htm, that hechsher is
from Rabbi Moshe Gutnick, NSW Kashrut Authority Inc, POB 206, 
Bondi NSW 2026 Australia; Phone 613-369-4286. Consider calling or
writing. Good luck!

Akiva Miller

From: Y. Askotzky <sofer@...>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:36:04 +0200
Subject: Hechsher on an apple

Many fruits are coated in order to give them a nice shine. These coatings
can be not kosher. Perhaps in N.Z. a hechsher is required on fruit due to
the common use of non kosher coatings? I think you will be able to get a
proper answer to your question by contacting the OU or another kashrus

kol tuv,

Rabbi Yerachmiel Askotzky, certified sofer and examiner
<sofer@...>   www.stam.net   1-888-404-STAM(7826)

From: Shmuel Himelstein <himels@...>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:41:38 +0200
Subject: Hechsher on an apple

I share Michael J. Savitz' puzzlement about a Hechsher on New Zealand
apples. On the other hand, I could understand a Hechsher on fruit from
Eretz Yisrael - in terms of Ma'aserot, etc. having been taken.

Shmuel Himelstein

From: Judi Janette <judi@...>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:35:21 -0500
Subject: Hechsher on an apple

We don't ordinarily think of fresh produce as a "processed" food.  Yet, 
fruits and vegetables, especially those which are grown on the other 
side of the world are, by necessity, processed.  For example, apples are 
treated with various spoilage retardants and waxes, some which may 
contain compounds which are not kosher.  My husband reminded me  about 
an article we had read months ago about animal fats being used in waxes 
used on fruit.  Suddenly, a seemingly silly hechsher --- makes sense!

-Judi Janette

From: Hillel E. Markowitz <Sabba.Hillel@...>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:00:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Hechsher on an apple

I remember that at one point there was a big fuss about fruit because
the apples were being sold with a wax covering which may have been
nonkosher.  Could that be the reason that those apples have it?

Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz
<sabbahem@...>, Sabba.Hillel@verizon.net


From: Sam Steingold <sds@...>
Date: 12 Nov 2001 12:04:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Is this public domain?

> * Robert <rkaiser1@...> writes:
> The English commentary was written back in 1936; doesn't that mean
> this text is now in the public domain?  If not, why, and when will it
> be public domain?

_Nothing_ created after 1923 will _ever_ go into PD (Public Domain) in
the US.

The US Constitution enables Congress to provide copyright "for a
limited term".  Thus, every 5 years the Congress extends the copyright
by another 5 year.  For details, see

Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds)

To: mail-jewish <mail-jewish@...>

From: Seth Ness <nesss01@...>
Subject: Low Protein Foods


does anyone know of any source of kosher low protein metabolic foods for
kids with various aminoacidopathies?

(such as lo protein pasta, crackers etc.)

Seth L. Ness, M.D., Ph.D.                    Phone: 212-241-6947
Fellow in Human Genetics                     Fax: 212-860-3316
Department of Human Genetics                 <nesss01@...>
Department of Pediatrics                     Ness Gadol Hayah Sham
Mount Sinai Medical Center

From: Victor Gaba <vpgaba@...>
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:49:04 +0200
Subject: Postdoctoral fellowship

We are looking for suitable person for Postdoctoral Research in
Agricultural Biotechnology, funded by US. My colleagues and I have a
range of projects in plant molecular biology, molecular plant virology,
plant transformation and plant tissue culture. Please contact me directly
at the address below. It would be a good route for a young scientist who
wants to make aliyah.

Victor Gaba, Ph.D.
Dept. of Virology; ARO Volcani Center; POB 6 Bet Dagan 50250
phone: 972-3-9683769; fax: 972-3-9604180
e-mail: <vpgaba@...> or: vpgaba@netvision.net.il


From: Anonymous
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 03:57:14 -0000
Subject: Raising wages

I am interested to hear the opinion of people on the following problem.

I employ a cleaner who comes to my home a few times a week to clean and tidy
the house. She knows little English which puts her in a vulnerable position.
She is also employed by many other Jewish households in the area.

The going rate per hour is about the equivalent of $6 with some cleaners
receiving a bit more. I have decided that the rate she is receiving is too
low and I wish to raise it. My wife mentioned it to another of the ladies
who employ her and she raised a fuss that hardly anybody's paying more and
if we raise her rate she'll start demanding more from everyone and then her
friends will start asking for a raise and so on. Many of her employers have
large families and are on low incomes and even the relatively small raise
may make a difference to them. We came to a compromise that we will give her
the difference at the end of the week as a tip so her hourly rate will
officially remain unchanged but she won't lose out financially as far as our
work is concerned.

My question is if I feel that her wages are exlpoitative, and they are so
by national standards, must I take into consideration the hardships this
would cause to others?

Thank you.


From: <rhendel@...> (Russell Jay Hendel)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:27:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Rav Hirsch sometimes disagreed with Rishonim/Acharonim on words

Just a quick comment to Neil Normand who cites a Maharitz Chayot
who interprets ANAV as HUMBLE (while Rav Hirsch interpreted it as
RESPONSIVE). (mj v35n60).

The quick comment is that Rav Hirsch in his etymologies frequently
disagreed with acharonim and even Rishonim. He however had strong
arguments to support his belief

Russell Jay Hendel; http://www.RashiYomi.Com


From: Jacob Sasson <jacobsasson@...>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:56:06 -0400
Subject: Shlomo dethroned

Gidon Ariel writes:

 I don't have a source in front of me, but I believe a midrash (on
 Kohelet?) tells of Shlomo being dethroned for a while and being forced
 to wander from place to place. 

and Eli Linas writes:

 This sounds suspect; Shlomo HaMelech was also a wanderer for a
 signifigant period of time, when he was replaced by Ashmadai and became
 Koheles, if I recall the details correctly. 

See Gittin 68a for the full story.

Jacob Sasson


From: <nbj@...> (Neal B. Jannol)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:01:41 -0700
Subject: Shofar and Neilah

Regarding Shofar and Neilah - years ago my shul would blow shofar after
kaddish, or i think in the middle of kadish, in neilah.  The place went 
into a controlled state of pandemonium because our family would hand
out candies (it is helpful if Yom Kippur comes out closer to that certain
holiday and candies are cheaper).  Perhaps about 25% of the shul
would then stick around to do maariv.

Now, shofar is not blown until after kaddish in maariv and no candies
are distributed until after shofar blows, and usually until after havdalah
is made in shul.  

A few shul members have pointed out that this is wrong, that shofar
should be blown at neilah, and those who are accurate would not eat
until after maariv - now, in essence, the shul forces us to  do it in
perhaps the right way (although shofar i thought should be blown at
neilah), and those who are makpid do not get a chance to be so makpid,
as everyone must be under the new system.

just some food for thought.

Neal B. Jannol
Riordan & McKinzie


From: Ginsburg, Paul <GinsburgP@...>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:39:45 -0500
Subject: Sudilkov Website Updated

The Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft website has been updated with new
material from a recent trip to Sudilkov, Ukraine and information on a recent
uncovery of its hidden Holocaust history.

The site can be visited at:

Paul W. Ginsburg
Sudilkov Online Landsmanshaft
Rockville, Maryland


From: Gil Student <gil_student@...>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:16:20 -0500
Subject: Torat Emet: Defending the Faith

A well-funded organization called Daat Emet has been distributing anti-Torah 
pamphlets in Bnei Brak and on the internet for over three years.  The 
pamphlets contain lengthy essays on a wide variety of Torah topics with the 
goal of showing that traditional Jewish texts, and the religion itself, are 
inconsistent, illogical and outdated.  These are accusations that should be 
familiar to most of us.

However, these pamphlets are fairly well researched and are convincing to 
all but experts.  While the essays are written in a tone that is quite 
off-putting, they raise many good questions that deserve a response.  
Currently, the questions remain unanswered on the internet with over 45,000 
hits to the website.

What I am proposing is that our frum internet community garner its 
collective resources and respond to the website.  I have reviewed every 
essay on the website, broken them down into questions and arranged the 
questions in topical order.  Topics range from the transmission of Torah 
SheBe'al Peh to animal anatomy, from literary biblical criticism to 
astronomy, and much more.

Please take the time to review some of the questions, read the respective 
essays, research the topic and formulate a response.  I will be coordinating 
the responses and writing many of my own.  Even if you do not currently have 
the time to help, please sign up for the occasional (very infrequent) 
mailing list that will tell people what topics still need to be addressed 
and will serve as a reminder for those who want to help out (you can sign up 
on the Submission Guidelines page on the website).

Together we can defend the glory of the Torah with quality research.

Micha Berger has been kind enough to host the response on his Aishdas 
website.  You can find it at http://www.aishdas.org/toratemet or at 


From: <Vaccine69@...>
Subject: Request: Kosher Food in Seville Spain

i am going to seville spain in january   i want to know if there are any
places that sell kosher food?? or have anything to do w/kosher food
 please get back to me as soon as possible  thanx a million    



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