Volume 43 Number 55
Produced: Tue Jul 20 7:14:04 EDT 2004
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
32 websites about Tisha B'Av
[Jacob Richman]
Abbreviation mem vav heh (2)
[Sholom Parnes, Martin Stern]
Aufruf (5)
[Batya Medad, Martin Stern, HB, <StevenJ81@...>, Mark
Steiner]
Dates (2)
[Shimon Lebowitz, Perets Mett]
Korbanot and Bar Codes
[Martin Stern]
Minhag of singing piyyut for chosson in Shul (2)
[Martin Stern, Mordechai]
Quote from Aishes Chayil: Women & No Sleep (2)
[R. Jeffrey Saks, Batya Medad]
Yeshiva Alumni Associations
[Chaim Shapiro]
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From: Jacob Richman <jrichman@...>
Subject: 32 websites about Tisha B'Av
Shalom.
Tisha B'Av is the saddest day on the Jewish calendar because of the
incredible series of tragedies which occurred on that date throughout
Jewish History.
Tisha B'Av means "the ninth (day) of Av."
Tisha B'Av primarily commemorates the destruction of the first and
second Temples, both of which were destroyed on the ninth of Av (the
first by the Babylonians in 586 B.C.E.; the second by the Romans in 70
C.E.).
Although this day is primarily meant to commemorate the destruction of
the Temple, it is appropriate to consider on this day the many other
tragedies of the Jewish people, many of which occurred on this day, most
notably the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492.
This year, the fast begins at sundown Monday, July 26, 2004 and
continues till after sundown on Tuesday, July 27, 2004.
I posted on my website links to 32 educational sites that describe
practices, prohibitions, insights and explanations about this sad day in
Jewish history.
http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/j-hdayav.htm
May we see the rebuilding of the Temple in our days and that Tisha B'Av
becomes a day of celebration.
Jacob
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From: Sholom Parnes <merbe@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:14:19 +0200
Subject: Abbreviation mem vav heh
The following are listed for mem vav heh in Ashkenazi & Yarden "Otzar
Rashei Tevot" (1978 Rubin Mass, Jerusalem)
All the entries could feel at home on a tombstone.
I am not going to try to embed the Hebrew so here are the
transliterations:
1) Mofet HaDor
2) Moreh Hora-ah
3) Moreinu Harav
4) Moreinu ve'Rabeinu Harav
5) Melech ve'Hedyot (okay, not for a tombstone)
6) Maalat ve'Kavod ha'Rabanee
Sholom Parnes
[Other posters sent in supporting #3 above:
Nathan Lamm <nelamm18@...>
Yisrael and Batya Medad <ybmedad@...>
Martin Stern <md.stern@...> (and see below)
<yossiea@...> (Yossie)
Ira L. Jacobson <laser@...>
with one additional post for #4 above:
Shimon Lebowitz <shimonl@...>
Mod.]
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From: Martin Stern <md.stern@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:15:43 +0100
Subject: Re: Abbreviation mem vav heh
Probably MOreinu Harav. It should really only appear where the person
was really a rav but nowadays titles have become rather debased and it
is not uncommon for someone to be called Harav hagaon followed by a
whole string of honorifics. Personally I disapprove of this, after all
there is the principle of "gadol meirabban shemo" (Arukh s.v. Abbaye)
which can be loosely translated that the greatest rabbis do not need any
title.
Martin Stern
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From: Batya Medad <ybmedad@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:35:07 +0200
Subject: Re: Aufruf
In Israel aufruf is called shabbat chatan. The Ashkenazim hold it
on the last shabbat before the wedding and Sephardim on the first
shabbat after the wedding. The minhagim (aliyah and
candy-throwing) are the same for
I don't know if Shiloh is the exception (it is exceptional is many ways)
but here many Ashkenazi families, who are strict on other Ashkenaz
customs, are following the Sephardi custom. Shabbat Sheva brachot is
the one celebrated, not the previous Shabbat. One very makpid yekke
said that the halacha is more consistent with the Sephardi customs.
Batya
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From: Martin Stern <md.stern@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:40:13 +0100
Subject: Re: Aufruf
on 19/7/04 11:47 am, Leah Aharoni <leah25@...> wrote:
> In Israel aufruf is called shabbat chatan. The Ashkenazim hold it on the
> last shabbat before the wedding
Strictly speaking, the Aufruf was held on the Shabbat before the chatan
left town to go to the wedding which may have been earlier. In previous
generations, travel was not easy and only a few people from his town
would actually go to the wedding. It, therefore, gave those who could
not a chance to participate to some extent in the simchah.
Martin Stern
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From: HB <halfull2@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:13:16 -0400
Subject: Aufruf
>In Israel aufruf is called shabbat chatan. The Ashkenazim hold it on the
>last shabbat before the wedding and Sephardim on the first shabbat after
>the wedding. The minhagim (aliyah and candy-throwing) are the same for
>both :).
I thought only Sephardim called it a Shabbat Chattan- I had heard
Askenazim called it a Shabbat Aliyah? As to my original question " Does
anyone know why and when the phrase "aufruf" came into popular usage in
describing a chassan's aliyah, as opposed to "Shabbat Aliyah" or "the
last hurrah", etc? " does anyone know what it was called before the
word Aufruf was used.
If Aufruf is a Yiddish word how long has the Yiddish language been
around-300/400 years ?- and what was the word for Aufruf prior to that
time?
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From: <StevenJ81@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:00:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Aufruf
Definitely German, "to call up." See the website of the House of the
Wannsee Conference, Berlin, http://www.ghwk.de/ for a more evil type of
"call-up." Look, for example, on the German pages of the exhibit, in
section 4a, item #15, or section 5, item #11. Then go back to the home
page to see the corresponding translation in the language of your
choice. I wonder that Holocaust survivors tolerate the phrase in a more
joyous setting.
As an aside an in-person visit to the "Wannsee Haus" is interesting.
The mansion is always packed with older schoolchildren doing required
Holocaust Studies units, and neither I nor colleagues who have visited
have ever seen the children not taking the visit seriously.
The most striking thing to me, though, was just how ordinary the
building is. It's a beautiful mansion on one of Berlin's numerous
lakes, and it is clear that the location was picked because it was a
pleasant place for a business meeting -- nothing more, and nothing less.
I've chosen very similar meeting locations myself, for very similar,
ordinary reasons. I'm sure many of you have, too.
Steven White
Highland Park, NJ
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From: Mark Steiner <ms151@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:45:11 -0400
Subject: RE: Aufruf
As I'm sure everyone knows, the Jews from the Arab countries celebrate
the "shabbat hatan" during the week following the wedding. But I
believe that the Mahzor Vitry describes the same thing in
Ashkenazic/European Jewry. If so, I wonder when Ashenaz started to make
the "oyfruf" before the wedding, and why...after all, he's not even a
hatan yet.
Mark Steiner
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From: Shimon Lebowitz <shimonl@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:46:04 +0200
Subject: Re: Dates
> [We had three responses, none of which agreed 100% with the two
> others. Only the differences are noted below in []'s. Mod.]
>
> Yom Dalet (Wednesday) - Parshas Ekev - 5545 = 20/Av = 27/July/1785
> [Perets Mett: 21 Av]
The dates I gave were according to the Kaluach v2.34 program.
Wednesday was the 20th of Av also according to Rob Singer's
Jewish Calendar program, and the following URLs:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josdates.htm
http://www.hebcal.com/converter/
http://www.chabad.org/calendar/1000year.asp
Of course, if we meant Wednesday *night*, it would already
be the 21st of Av, but wouldn't the rebbe have called that Thursday?
[Note: Perets agrees that 20 Av is correct. Mod.]
> Yom Heh (Thursday) - Parshas VaYeshev - 5545 = 21/Kislev = 4/Dec/1784
> [Perets Mett: 19 Kislev
> [Shimon Lebowitz: 19 Kislev = Dec 2, 1784
> with note: (Are you sure of this one? The others were all in
> chronological order.)]
Rob Singer's calendar program also says Thursday was Dec 2,
19th of Kislev. Again, all three of the URLs listed above
are also in agreement.
Shimon
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From: Perets Mett <p.mett@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:48:21 +0100
Subject: Re: Dates
MJ viol 43 #53:
> Yom Dalet (Wednesday) - Parshas Ekev - 5545 = 20/Av = 27/July/1785
> [Perets Mett: 21 Av]
>
My mistake - 20 Av is correct (until nakht)
PM
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From: Martin Stern <md.stern@...>
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 11:01:43 +0100
Subject: Re: Korbanot and Bar Codes
on 8/7/04 10:25 am, Joseph Ginzberg <jgbiz120@...> wrote:
> Imagine a half-million or so men crowding into the Bet Mikdash on some
> (hopefully soon) erev Pesach, each with a korban Pesach, a Chagiga, and
> some additional "owed" sacrifices, and each of these animals has to be
> done in the name of the proper owner, with the correct intentions, and
> with the thought of when and where it may be eaten, all different for
> each type of sacrifice. How can all this be tracked correctly?
>
> Bar codes, of course!
Not necessarily, the kohen, if he has any sense, would have intention to
perform the avodah 'stam', i.e. on behalf of the owner whoever he may
be. It would be almost impossible ever to have any specific person in
mind at such busy times. Look at the problems caused by trying to do
this for ladies after childbirth in Massekhet Kinnim!
Martin Stern
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From: Martin Stern <md.stern@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:05:56 +0100
Subject: Re: Minhag of singing piyyut for chosson in Shul
on 19/7/04 11:17 am, Nathan Lamm <nelamm18@...> wrote:
> As a side note, my shul has a minhag of singing an old short Ashkenaz
> piyut after the chassan's aliyah (we do it to the tune of "Od
> Yishama"). Has anyone else ever heard of this?
We have the minhag of reciting the piyut "Echad yachid umeyuchad Kel"
during the sheva berachot week and presumably this is the one to which
Nachum is referring . The full version of 10 verses, each consisting of
three rhyming lines with the refrain Hallelukah, is given by Baer in the
introduction to his edition of the Tikkun. He gives the author as
Avigdor Kra whose name forms an acrostic of the first words of each
verse. We only say the first verse which Baer mentions is the 'custom in
many communities'.
Martin Stern
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From: <Phyllostac@...> (Mordechai)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:10:18 EDT
Subject: Minhag of singing piyyut for chosson in Shul
<< From: Nathan Lamm <nelamm18@...>
> ........As a side note, my shul has a minhag of singing an old short
>Ashkenaz piyut after the chassan's aliyah (we do it to the tune of "Od
>Yishama"). Has anyone else ever heard of this?
There is a lengthy discussion in sefer 'Shorshei Minhag Ashkenaz',
volume 3 (Rav Binyomin Hamburger, Mochon Moreshes Ashkenaz, Bnei Brak,
5762), entitled 'zemer lichosson ba'aloso liTorah', which discusses
various customs in this area, among various kehillos, including
Sepharadim, Ashkenazim and Teimanim. The bulk of the maamar is devoted
to a discussion of an Ashkenazic piyyut 'Echod yochid umeyuchod.....'
which is an old Ashkenazic custom to sing for a chosson (although that
tradition has been lost to some, partially or totally, over the years).
I suspect that your Shul is continuing this old minhog (I wonder what
the background / history of the congregation is) and commend them for
it.
Mordechai
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From: R. Jeffrey Saks <atid@...>
Subject: Quote from Aishes Chayil: Women & No Sleep
>In Proverbs 31:15 it says, speaking in praise of a woman, that she
>gets up while it is still night to prepare food. On the other hand, in
>31:18 it says that her lamp is lit all night, i.e., she doesn't go to
>sleep. How do you reconcile these two? How can she live without sleep?
My wife, a working mother to my two small children, often assures me
that she somehow lives without sleep.
However, this may be one of those apocryphal "tales of the tzaddikim"
discussed recently on-list.
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From: Batya Medad <ybmedad@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:40:41 +0200
Subject: Re: Quote from Aishes Chayil: Women & No Sleep
In Proverbs 31:15 it says, speaking in praise of a woman, says
that she gets up while it is still night to prepare food. On the
other hand, in 31:18 it says that her lamp is lit all night, i.e.,
she doesn't go to sleep.
Always prepared. With the light on, she needs no delay if suddenly
someone needs her.
Batya
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From: <Dagoobster@...> (Chaim Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:51:42 EDT
Subject: Yeshiva Alumni Associations
Does anyone know of a list of all the American Yeshivas that have Alumni
Associations/Directors of Alumni Affairs?
Chaim Shapiro
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