Volume 52 Number 07
                    Produced: Mon Jun  5 20:18:54 EDT 2006

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Adler Machzor
         [Nathan Lamm]
Beware of local missionary offensive
         [Orrin Tilevitz]
Dam HaNefesh (3)
         [Perets Mett, Dr. Josh Backon, Stephen Phillips]
Kol Kavua vs. Rov
         [Stephen Phillips]
Midrash Online
         [Nathan Lamm]
Multiple Worlds (2)
         [Shayna Kravetz, Nathan Lamm]
No Plans for Parnasa (2)
         [<FriedmanJ@...>, Bernard Raab]
Women saying kaddish (4)
         [Martin Stern, Stuart Feldhamer, Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz,
Nathan Lamm]


From: Nathan Lamm <nelamm18@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:17:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Adler Machzor

One more note: It seems that one minhag is to say Av Harachamim only
twice a year, before Shavuot (Sefirah?) and Tisha B'Av, I think. This
would explain its absence before Yikzor.


From: Orrin Tilevitz <tilevitzo@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Beware of local missionary offensive

Ira Jacobson posted a warning from the American Hamodia about a "an
innocent looking folder containing a DVD disk narrated in a rich Yiddish
that is actually a virulent piece of missionary propaganda." According
to Hamodia, "Obviously those who produced this disk invested much
though, time and effort to devise a sophisticated method of spreading
their missionary message" and "After consultation with Rabbanim and
community leaders, Hamodia urgesthose who receive this missionary
mailing to swiftly and decisively to halt this attack on our most
vulnerable members: the very young, the very old, the lonely and those
to whom any thing expressed in mamma lashon takes on a sacred cast."

We received the DVD, I guess because we're in the 11218 zip code.  My
wife stuck it in the computer and called me over to figure out what was
going on.  It is as sophisticated as a brick over your head.  My Yiddish
isn't great, but a few seconds of hearing repeated references to
"Yeshua" (a name no yiddish-speaking Jew would use) and "die maidele
miriam" in Yiddish that did not sound like it could have come from
anybody in the traditional community was all it took me. And how many
"vulnerable" individuals (i.e., yiddish speakers with so little
knowledge outside Judaism that they will be unable to pick up the
Christian references on their own) even own DVD players?  I am skeptical
that this DVD is a problem worth worrying about.


From: Perets Mett <p.mett@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:05:45 +0100
Subject: Dam HaNefesh

> From: David Neuman <daveselectric@...>
> What constitutes Dam HaNefesh?
> What blood is required to be saved for burial?

It is customary to bury any blood that issues at the time of death.

Some chevras also bury blood that issues after death.

Blood that issues before death, even if the person dies subsequently
from that wound, is not dam hanefesh. (v Gesher Hachayim)

Perets Mett

From: Dr. Josh Backon <backon@...>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:24:04
Subject: Re: Dam HaNefesh

This is discussed in Rambam Hilchot Maachalot Assurot 6:3,4 and in
Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deah 67:1. Tosfot in Chulin 36a d"h v'dam goes into
detail (re: color of dam ha'kaza [black to red]. Basically there are 3
types of dam ha'nefesh: the classic one (the blood that spurts forth
during the cut in shechita), blood in the heart (dam ha'kanus) during
shechita, and dam ha'kaza (which is the blood HA'MEKALE'ACH [I can't
find the exact English term: "gushing forth in waves" ??] right after
shechita. [Dam ha'kaza seems to be the blood pumped by a heart
ventricle, the heart muscle having some residual pumping action a few
seconds after shechita].


Josh Backon

From: Stephen Phillips <admin@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:06:13 +0100
Subject: Re: Dam HaNefesh

> What constitutes Dam HaNefesh?

I believe this is blood that comes out at the time of death (and
possibly was the cause of death).

> What blood is required to be saved for burial?

As far as I am aware, most Chevra Kadishas are particular to bury with
the deceased any blood that was in the body at the time of death and
came out post mortem. There are some (including the Chevra Kadisha of
the Golders Green Beis HaMedrash - "Munks" Shul) who only save the Dam

Stephen Phillips.


From: Stephen Phillips <admin@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:57:03 +0100
Subject: Re: Kol Kavua vs. Rov

> From: Heshy <hhandls@...>

> I know a definitional difference between Kol Kavua and Rov: Kol Kavua
> is when you create the doubt (you buy from the store) and Rov is when
> the doubt is created without you (the meat is found outside).

> 1) What is the reasoning (svara) behind this difference?
> 2) Is there a mathematical interpretation of the reasoning for the
> difference?

It is learned out from a Pasuk in Devarim 19:11 - "If a man hated his
neighbour, and lay in ambush for _him_ and rose up against _him_, and
inflicted a mortal wound^"

The Gemara in Kesubos 15a writes that if 9 Jews and 1 non-Jew are in a
group and someone throws a rock into the crowd, even though he kills a
Jew he is exempt from the death penalty. The chiddush [innovative
Halacha] is that even though the majority in the group are Jews, and
therefore he should be chayav [liable for the death penalty] for killing
a Jew, we can exempt him. The reason is that since the non-Jew has a Din
of kavuah [fixed] we cannot use the laws of probability. The Din of
kavuah is learned from the usage of "him" twice in the above Pasuk.

The Gemara says the above case is comparable to the case (which you have
alluded to) of 9 shops that were selling kosher meat and one shop
selling treife meat. If it is not known from which of the shops a piece
of meat was purchased, that piece is forbidden even though it can be
argued that it came from the rov [majority].

Stephen Phillips


From: Nathan Lamm <nelamm18@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Midrash Online

I don't know of anything complete online, and am not sure where this
Midrash appears ("Midrash Bereishit" doesn't really help). However,
Soncino translated the entire Midrash Rabbah, an edition that should be
in most libraries; others have begun work on this and other Midrashim as
well, although you'd find those more in academic libraries and some


From: Shayna Kravetz <skravetz@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:10:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Multiple Worlds

>From: .cp. <chips@...>
>Anyone know where the Tiferes Yesroel discusses the concept of multiple
>worlds in relation to the age of Creation ?

In his introduction to Neziqin in the Mishna.

Kol tuv.
Shayna in Toronto

From: Nathan Lamm <nelamm18@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:26:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Multiple Worlds

The Tiferes Yisroel addresses questions of the Creation in a drasha
entitled "Drush Or Hachaim." It is in some editions of the Yachin U'Boaz
after Nezikin. The original is also reprinted in an appendix to R' Aryeh
Kaplan's "Immortality, Resurrection, and the Age of the Universe"
(Ktav), with a translation and notes by Prof. Yaakov Elman.


From: <FriedmanJ@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:04:04 EDT
Subject: Re: No Plans for Parnasa

When Hillel said go and study, he didn't mean kvetch a benkel and become
a welfare case. He meant quite the opposite.

No Plans for Paranassa sounds like a great name for R' Shapiro's new
book, which excoriates going to work for a living.

 In any event, one month after my first marriage, suddenly the person I
was married to decided to quit working and sit and learn because his
rosh yeshiva told him to. Having gotten pregnant on my wedding night,
with no income to speak of, he decided I needed to go to work or sponge
off my father, which he immediately proceeded to do (along with beating
me...the beatings began during Sheva Brachot).

All I can say about this new trend of never going to work, and sitting
and "learning" all day is that it has absolutely nothing to do with
being a Torah Jew, it is the most misguided way of living anyone ever
thought up, and I hope, I sincerely hope, that any American authorities
who determine whether or not families get welfare money should 100% not
grant those men a nickel.

As for the rabbis who demand that people not go to work, someone should
straighten them out as well. We all know and have discussed the problems
that this causes for men who aren't "learners" and there have been
enough suicides and people who have left Judaism altogether to prove it.

From: Bernard Raab <beraab@...>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:24:32 -0400
Subject: No Plans for Parnasa

>From: <HHgoldsmith@...>
>Would anyone like to comment (based on personal experience) on the
>ever-increasing trend of boys getting married who do not have any plans
>for parnasa, and are told by their rebbeim that they should just have
>bitachon and everything will work out?

My personal experience was added to last week when two yungerleit showed
up at our shul collecting for their yeshiva. Apparently, this is
acceptable vocational activity.

b'shalom--Bernie R.


From: Martin Stern <md.stern@...>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:19:25 +0100
Subject: Women saying kaddish

On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:54:48 -0400, Carl A. Singer
<casinger@...> wrote:
> For whatever reason at the present moment there are no men saying
> kaddish for deceased relatives at our main Shabbos minyan.  As a result
> kaddish is not said except for one towards the end of davening that is
> said by one of the balabatim (at the Rabbi's request.)
> Here's the problem -- there is a woman who is saying kaddish for her
> parent and has heretofore said it concurrently with the men (the first
> two after Rebbe Yehsmuel & Mizmor, and after anime z'mirot and aleynu
> and the shir shel yom.  She is uncomfortable no longer being able to say
> the rabbanim kaddish, etc.

Someone should explain to her in the most tactful and empathetic way
that it is a much greater zekhut for her parent to do extra chessed in
their memory rather than say kaddish. Also, even for a son, there is no
obligation to say more than one kaddish a day though customarily they
say any that are available.

> Would it be proper to have a man who is not a cheyuv say all of the
> kaddishes (ostensibly for her parent) so that she might still say
> kaddish concurrently with him.

Surely this would constitute a tirkha detsibbura (inconveniencing the
congregation) quite apart from verging on reciting a berakhah she'eino
tserikha (an unnecessary blessing)

> There are no male relatives saying kaddish for this person.

So what. Kaddish is an expression of filial piety and not some magical
rite which raises the soul of the departed. Where there are no sons,
there is no real need for anyone to say kaddish. There is far too much
superstition associated with kaddish (and yizkor) and it is time the
whole matter is put in perspective.

Martin Stern

From: Stuart Feldhamer <Stuart.Feldhamer@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:02:02 -0400
Subject: Women saying kaddish

That's what we currently do in the shul where I daven. Sometimes no
chiyuvim are present, so a male non-chiyuv says kaddish together with
the woman in avel. I'm not sure whether or not this is officially
sanctioned by the Rav.


From: Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz <sabba.hillel@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Women saying kaddish

I have in the past said kaddish for someone who had noone (male) who
would be saying kaddish for him/her.  I also know of other people who do
this.  The only restriction is that if either parent is alive, then the
person actually saying the kaddish must get permission.

I should note that AIUI halachically, only the one kaddish is
*required*.  However, I would see no reason not to say the other
kaddishim in order to be menachem this avel.

Of course, this is dependant on the minhag of your shul which should go
to the moreh d'asra of that shul.  If this is a minyon that does not
have a rav, then the minyan (as a group) should agree on a rave to whom
all group related sha'alos would be addressed.  That way a uniform set
of minhagim can be established.

Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz | Said the fox to the fish, "Join me ashore"
<Sabba.Hillel@...> | The fish are the Jews, Torah is our water

From: Nathan Lamm <nelamm18@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:28:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Women saying kaddish

There is, strictly speaking, nothing wrong with a woman saying Kaddish
on her own; it sometimes happens in my shul.


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