Volume 53 Number 24
Produced: Tue Dec 19 5:16:58 EST 2006
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Neturei Karta at Iran Conference (9)
[Mordechai Horowitz, SBA, Binyamin Hammer, Hillel (Sabba)
Markowitz, Ari Trachtenberg, JEDDA@aol.com, SBA, Medad, Perets
Mett]
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From: Mordechai Horowitz <mordechai@...>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:57:37 -0500
Subject: Neturei Karta at Iran Conference
> I am sure I am not alone in being sickened by the presence of the
> neturei karta at the recent Holocaust denial conference. I am
> appalled, however, that there were no well publicized statements by
> any of the mainstream Jewish organizations condemning their presence
> or what they said. Any speculation why, other than the theory that
> everyone knows they're nuts? S. Wise
You just need to get on better mailing lists. I subscribe to the Aguda
Israel e-mail news list and received their condemnation quite quickly.
A quick check of the web finds a few more condemnations especially from
Satmar (one of the only groups a reasonable person might have thought
would have supported them)
Leaders of the Satmer Chassidic sect released a statement Friday
condemning the visit of a Neturei Karta delegation to Tehran last week
for Iran's Holocaust Conference.
Those who participated in the conference, which saw a panoply of
anti-Semites gather to deny the Holocaust, "trampled on the memory of
their ancestors and people. They embraced the disciplines and followers
of their murderers," a statement by an official Satmer group said.
Similarly, the Agudath Israel of America condemned the visit as well.
"Neither the Neturei Karta's professed determination to protect the
interests of Jews nor their hareidi garb can obscure the fact that all
they accomplish is to offer succor and support to people who eagerly
wish to do grave harm to Jews," a statement by the group said
http://israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=117550
The anti-Zionist Satmar Chassidic court added its voice Thursday night
to a call by Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger to boycott members of
the extremist Neturei Karta Chassidic sect who participated in a two-day
Holocaust denial conference in Teheren this week.
The statement called on Jews "to keep away from them and condemn their
actions," an order tantamount to placing the men in cherem
(excommunication), similar to the call by Rabbi Metzger on Thursday.
http://israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=117531
The Satmar Hassidism Court published an unprecedented statement calling
on the public to disassociate themselves from the seven Neturei Karta
members who visited Iran to attend the Holocaust denial conference this
week.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3340592,00.html
Leaders of New York's ultra-Orthodox Satmar community vehemently denied
any connection with the Hasidim who participated in the Holocaust denial
conference held in Tehran last week and met with Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
New York Satmar leaders, who usually avoid all contact with members of
the media, on Friday took the unusual step of issuing a press release
slamming the "reckless outcasts" who took part in the Tehran gathering.
The statement said that through their participation these individuals
turned themselves into Holocaust deniers and joined those who dismiss
the extent of the murder and cruelty and diminish the number of the
victims who were murdered because they were Jewish.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/801763.html
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From: SBA <sba@...>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 23:54:20 +1100
Subject: Neturei Karta at Iran Conference
> From: (Jeanette Friedman)
> what about those lovely neturei karta and their chillul hashem. What?
> Not one call from anyone on this list to put them in cherem? not a
> single comment on the disgusting display of the Camp Morris alum, Hirsch
> and his buddies-who I regret to say come from the old hood and Wiess is
> the son of my parent's friends., even Reb Yoel said you don't sit with
> the Islamists and der yid printed a blast at them,..
Phew! Calm down...
Maybe this will help - a statement issued by our local Charedi kehilla
regarding those maniacs.
ADASS ISRAEL CONGREGATION
PUBLIC STATEMENT
The Adass Israel Congregation, a community founded by
Holocaust-survivors, joins worldwide Jewry in publicly denouncing the
nefarious and totally irresponsible handful of Jewish charlatans, who
attended the recent "Holocaust-denial" conference of Jew-haters in
Teheran.
These individuals who have been depicted in local and international
media embracing fanatical anti-Semites bring shame and pain to our
people.
We hereby reiterate and declare that Charedi/Chassidic/Orthodox Jews
everywhere are disgusted and repelled by the treacherous and
contemptible conduct of this deranged and reviled group of misfits and
Mechallelei Hashem [desecraters of G-d's Name], who in their boundless
and obsessive craving for publicity habitually raise their ugly heads
and besmirch the reputation and honour of all observant Jews. We join
communities the world over in denouncing them and fully endorse and
applaud the severe sanctions and sharp condemnations that have been
issued by every single major Charedi community in Jerusalem, New York,
Antwerp, London and Manchester.
Under no circumstances, should the behaviour of this rabble be
associated with any other organisation or person. Nor should their garb
and their calling themselves "rabbis" deceive anyone. In fact, they are
an insignificant group of unemployed parasites, who represent nobody but
themselves. They were ejected, for similar activities, decades ago from
their local Shuls and communities. Regrettably this has not halted their
ongoing treacherous behaviour and associating with our enemies, thus
embarrassing and harming the reputation of Orthodox Jewry. They have
persistently and blatantly ignored the demands and rulings of Rabbis and
community leaders - who have no control over them.
The Adass Israel community, which is made up of first, second and third
generation Holocaust-survivors, cannot ignore, and will never forgive,
the desecration of the memory of our Kedoshim by these self-hating
Jews. We too call upon organisations and individuals everywhere to do
all in their power to shun these pathetic individuals.
Melbourne, Chanukah 5767
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From: Binyamin Hammer <BHammer@...>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:18:55 -0500
Subject: Neturei Karta at Iran Conference
Statement of the National Council of Young Israel on Neturei Karta
The National Council of Young Israel, the parent body representing 150
Orthodox Synagogues in the United States and Canada and their 30,000
members unequivocally condemns the "so-called" Orthodox Jews who
represented the Neturei Karta at the Iranian "Holocaust" Conference.
These people who parade in the holy uniform of Eastern European Jewry
mock the souls who were slaughtered "Al Kiddush Hashem" (sanctifying
G-d's name) during the Shoah. We demand that they be banned from all
Jewish communities and neighborhoods so this "cancer" is finally removed
from our midst.
Rabbi Binyamin Hammer
Director of Rabbinic Services
National Council of Young Israel
111 John Street, Suite 450
New York, NY 10038
212 929 1525 x 104
<rabbis@...>
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From: Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz <sabba.hillel@...>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 05:11:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Neturei Karta at Iran Conference
Actually there were statements by the mainstream religious
organizations, such as the Agudah, the Orthodox Union, the various
Chasidic groups like Satmar, etc. There were probably no statements by
the non or anti religious groups because they refuse to recognize that
religious (or "ultraOrthodox" as they call them) differ in fundamental
ways from the Neturei Karta.
In any case, they have been placed in cherem and will receive their
punishment "after 120 years".
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3340592,00.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3339840,00.html
http://jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=6063
Hillel (Sabba) Markowitz | Said the fox to the fish, "Join me ashore"
<Sabba.Hillel@...> | The fish are the Jews, Torah is our water
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7637/544/640/SabbaHillel.jpg
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From: Ari Trachtenberg <trachten@...>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:07:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Neturei Karta at Iran Conference
The mainstream Jewish organizations have been appallingly silent on the
entire Iran issue. My guess is that they're following the lead of the
Israeli government in trying to maintain a low profile and let the world
(which is just as threatened) deal with the issue.
In my opinion, this is a dangerous approach that contradicts the
halachah and our experience from WWII. To make a clarifying analogy
(note: not equivalence), when, G-d forbid, a woman is being raped in a
city, she has a *duty* to scream (and not just assume that people will
realize the evil that is being done to her and come to her aid).
Ari Trachtenberg
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From: <JEDDA@...>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:25:23 EST
Subject: Re: Neturei Karta at Iran Conference
This may help and support your feeling about Neturai Karta and their
insignificance
RCA Asks Press to Ignore Certain Disturbed Jews All Responsible Jews
Revolted by Enemies of Israel, Even Those in Orthodox Garb
Dec 15, 2006 -- Many reports of the recently concluded Holocaust-denial
conference in Iran highlighted the presence of several Jews clad in
classic Orthodox garb. The media's understandable attraction to
arresting photographs and anomalous groups has led to an extraordinary
level of public misperception regarding this handful of participants,
who have made their way over the years to various events organized by
Jew-haters and unrelenting enemies of Israel.
To call these people a group is to stretch that term to its breaking
point and beyond. They are a few disturbed individuals. They represent
no one. Even Orthodox Jews who distance themselves from the ideology of
Zionism care deeply about the safety of Israel and are revolted by these
purported paragons of Orthodoxy. The time has come for the press to
ignore them, and if the canons of journalism render this impossible, to
depict them in the clearest terms as the utterly insignificant figures
that they are.
Rabbi Evan Shore
Young Israel Shaarei Torah of Syracuse
4313 East Genesee Street
Dewitt, NY 13214
315-446-6194 FAX: 315-446-7936
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From: SBA <sba@...>
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:16:04 +1100
Subject: Re: Neturei Karta at Iran Conference
Of course there was. I saw of a number of them on the web. The Der Yid
had a full page statement from the Satmar Beth Din (co-signed by the
Satmar rebbe) denouncing them as well as several sharp articles and
editorials on this. So did the Hamodia and others.
(I'll send you some that I have - off list)
SBA
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From: Medad <ybmedad@...>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:21:19 +0200
Subject: Neturei Karta at Iran Conference
There's a limit on how seriously we should take them. I think that on
their legitimacy it's pretty unanimous that mail jewish is of a different
stream of Judaism.
Actually I read that:
"Israel's Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger and the Save the Nation and
Land rabbinic organization have called for members of the anti-Zionist
Neturei Karta sect to be excommunicated."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=117448
What is more serious is that Olmert is negotiating with the Vatican to
give it (G-d forbid!) Mount Zion.
http://shilohmusings.blogspot.com/2006/12/focused-on-mount-zion.html
Batya
http://shilohmusings.blogspot.com/
http://me-ander.blogspot.com/
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From: Perets Mett <p.mett@...>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:09:20 +0000
Subject: Neturei Karta at Iran Conference
Jeanette Friedmann wrote:
> what about those lovely neturei karta and their chillul hashem. What?
> Not one call from anyone on this list to put them in cherem?
I wouldn't waste my time - they are already in cherem for their previous
misdemeanours.
We have/had some in England. Those who refused to do tshuvo are persona
non grata in every shul and shtibl.
<smwise3@...> wrote:
[quote above in first submission in issue. Mod.]
I cannot speak for mainstream Jewish organizations, but there have been
numerous condemnations by chareidi kehilos and in the chareidi press.
PM
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