Volume 9 Number 49
                       Produced: Wed Oct 13 21:50:50 1993

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

         [Michael Gitt]
Gedolim & Peace
         [Israel Medad]
Haredim on the Peace Agreement
         [Frank Silbermann]


From: <gitt@...> (Michael Gitt)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 18:26:19 -0400
Subject: Charities

Hello fellow mj'ers.  I haven't written before, but I certainly
have been enjoying the many discussions, and occasionally seeing
a name of someone I know.

  What triggered me to write was my receiving a load of requests from
Jewish charity organizations, many of which sound worthy of support, but
I do not know for sure how legitimate these organizations are.  Since I
am in San Francisco, it is difficult for me to check up on them.  If
anyone is familiar with any of these organizations, could you please
write to me personally at my email address?  I can keep track of the
results and post later if others are interested. 

[I definitely think that people will be interested, the dificult part
may be how to define "how legitimate these organizations are". But if we
can among the whole list get a list of "good" charities and "bad" ones
that will be usefull. Mod.]

Thank you
Michael Gitt

1.  Yeshiva Telshe Alumni, 4904 Independence Ave., Riverdale, New
York, 10471

2.  Chmol, P.O. Box 191214, Brooklyn, NY 11219)9828;  1469 42nd
St., Brooklyn, NY 11219  (718) 871)4483

3.   Mesivta Yeshiva Rabbi Chaim Berlin, 1605 Coney Island Ave.,
Brooklyn, NY 11230)4715;  1585 Coney Island Ave.,  (718) 377)0777

4.   Diskin Orphan Home of Israel, 4305 18th Ave., Brooklyn, NY
11218)5685 (718) 851)2598

5.   United Charity Institutions of Jerusalem, 1467 48th St.,
Brooklyn, NY 11219  (718) 633)8469

6.   Kolel America, the American Charity of Rabbi Meir Baal Haness,
P.O. Box 191211, Brooklyn, NY 11219)9971;  1469 42nd St., Brooklyn
NY 11219  (718)871)4111

7.   Educational Institute Oholei Torah, 667 Eastern Parkway,
Brooklyn, NY 112123)9990  (718) 778)3340

8.   American Friends of Sanz Medical Center, 18th Floor, 18 West
45th St., New York, NY 10109)0585  (212) 944)2690

9.   The Jewish Braille Institute of America, Inc.,  110 East 30th
St., New York, NY 10157)0105  (212) 889)2525

10.  The S.H.A.M.I.R.  Institute for Russian)Jewish Learning, 580
Fifth Ave., Suite 625, New York, NY 10036 (212) 785)5590

11.  Yeshiva Torah Vodaath & Mesivta, 425 East 9th St., Brooklyn,
NY 11218, (718) 941)8000

12.  Rabbinical Seminary of America, 92)15 69th Ave., Forest Hills,T
13.  Givat David, Children Village, Har)Nof, P.O.B. 3836 Jerusalem

14.  American Friends of Tikvah Layeled, the foundation for
cerebral palsy children in Israel, 10 Columbus Circle, Suite 1220,
New York, NY 10102)0864

15.  Beit David))Kiryat Gat, 667 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn, NY

16.  Chevra Tzedoko Vochesed, 175 Fifth Ave., Suite 2465, New York,
NY 10010

17.  Yeshuos Yisroel, 144 Hooper St., Brooklyn, NY 11211 (718) 797*2026

18.  Tikva Fund, Radio City Station, P.O. Box 1220, New York, NY
10101)1220;  19 Habesht St., Jerusalem, Israel

19.  Chai Lifeline/ Camp Simcha, 48 West 25th St., New York, NY
10010 (212) 255)1160

20.  Girls Town Beit Chana Safed Israel, 706 Eastern Parkway,
Brooklyn, NY 112123

21.  Od Yosef Chai, 1556 58th St., Brooklyn, NY 11219 633)5299

22.  General Israel Orphans Home for Girls, P.O. Box 3147, New
York, NY 10277)0074

23.  Great Charity of Jerusalem, Inc. 'Chaye Olam', 5 Beekman St.,
Suite 423, New York, NY 10273)0161 (212) 962)0224

24.  Childrens' Village of Jerusalem, 5 Beekman St., Suite 400, New
York, NY 10038)2206 (212) 732)1032

25.  Colel Chabad, 806 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn, NY 112123)3534
(718) 774)5446

26.  Keren Hayeled, 1482 41st St., Brooklyn, NY 11218 (718) 435*9128

27.  Aleh Foundation, Rehabilitation Center for Special Children,
4715 13th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11219  (718) 851)4596

28.  National Jewish Center for Immunology and Respiratory
Medicine, 1400 Jackson St., Denver, CO 80206)2762  (303) 388)4461

29.  The Benjamin Foundation, P.O. Box 757, Milwaukee, WI 53201*9338;  27 Keren Hayesod St., Jerusalem, 94188 (001)972)2) 248877 

30.  Zichron Shlomo, c/o the Almonah, Mrs. Leah K., 4718 18th Ave.,
Brooklyn, NY 11204T31.  Orphan Hospital Ward of Israel, 4305 18th Ave,
Brooklyn, NY 11218 (718) 851)2563

32.  The Israel Youth Village (formerly the Chabad Trade School),
770 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn, NY 11213 (718) 774)5531

33.  Jewish Institute for the Blind))Jerusalem, 15 East 26th St.,
Suite 1030, New York, NY 10010  (212)532)4155

34.  Bayit Lepletot Girls Town Jerusalem Girls Orphanage, 1 Beharan
St., P.O.B. 5115, Jerusalem, Israel

35.  Kolel Shomre Hachomos Reb Meir Baal Haness, 18 Heyward St.,
Brooklyn, NY 11211 (718) 243)2495


From: MEDAD%<ILNCRD@...> (Israel Medad)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 09:19 IST
Subject: Gedolim & Peace

Re: Frank Silberman in Vol9 N34 -

Rav Ovadia Yosef's support for the Labor government is *not*, repeat
*not* because of peace but because he has sevral thousands of
schoolchildren in the new educational stream of El HaMaayan and
thousands of Yeshiva boys.  This is not a denigration but a simple fact
as heard from his mouth when Yesha (Judea, Samria & Gaza) people visited
him to discuss his positions.  True, he leans towards a moderate
approach, even to the extent of several years ago ago travelling to
Egypt to tell Mubarak that if Arabs threaten Israel then Israel should
be willing to give up territory.  But as he ordered the Shaas MKs to
abstain on the vote, obvioulsy even Ovadia Yosef is concerned about
whether this is peace.

Yisrael Medad


From: Frank Silbermann <fs@...>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 11:31:55 -0400
Subject:  Haredim on the Peace Agreement

In Vol9 #36 B Lehman responds to an earlier posting of mine:

>	The cynicism is when people sit back and tell me
>	to be an example to the world. Frank, move to Israel,
>	do with us army service 30 - 45 days a year,
>	the advice you give will not bother me so much.

Indeed, I have no answer for this.  As one living in America my opinion
can never carry as much weight as someone living right on the firing
line.  Note, however, that had I taken a hard line, advocating defense
of all Eretz Israel down to the last man (or even a less extreme
position), a dovish Israeli could have could have given essentially the
same criticism.

So long as I am not myself in danger, the only way I can avoid this
criticism is to stay out of the debate completely.  However, so long as
there are Israelis facing these dangers whose views I share, it might
not be _too_ arrogant for me to clearly articulate their opinions, if I
am able.

In Vol9 #34 Jeff Mandin writes:

> in the English Yated Neeman ... MK R. Avraham Ravitz wrote
> that the Israeli left had two items on its agenda:
> peace and secularization of Israeli society.
> Because of its second goal, he writes, we must be skeptical
> about its implementation of the first as well.

This confuses me.  I thought Israeli society already was predominately
secular.  In what way is the Israeli left trying to make it yet more

> The second article, referred to by Shaul Wallach earlier,
> said that since there is a principle that benefit (zchus)
> is conferred by the righteous(zakai) and harm(chov) by
> the guilty(chayav), it is unlikely that the agreement effected
> by the left will bring peace.

We must remember that at least one religous party, Shas, is in fact a
part of the present government.  To again quote David Landau's book
_Piety and Power_ (pp330-331):

	... the precedent had been set:  the largest haredi party
	had formally joined the peace camp.  The Ashkenazi haredim
	of Agudah Yisrael were angling to join too.  For Rabbi Yosef
	this was the practical implementation of his long-held
	halachic position on peace.  `To hold or conquer territories
	in Eretz Israel by force, in our time, against the will
	of the nations of the world, is a sin,' he had ruled back in 1989.
	`If we can give back the territories and thereby avoid war
	and bloodshed, we are obligated to do so, under the Rule
	of Saving Life'.  ... Rabbi Yosef stressed at the time
	that his halachic analysis was `hypothetical'.  Neither
	Israel nor the Arabs were prepared to enter serious negotiations.
	Three years later, with Rabin now heading his own government,
	Yosef's political support was an indispensable element in
	conducting such negotiations.  In addition to the crucial
	Knesset arithmetic, it provided Rabin with the religious
	legitimation he needed in order to contemplate traumatic
	territorial concessions.  Had all of Orthodox Jewry lined up
	against him, opposing his peace policy in the name of the Torah,
	Rabin would have been hard put to sustain that policy
	-- even with a parliamentary majority.

So I don't think the above rule (that good comes from the righteous and
evil from the guilty) necessarily applies to this situation.

In fact, I think it is generally quite difficult to apply this rule. From 
the Kabbalah we learn that nothing is entirely wicked without containing
at least the seeds of goodness, and nothing entirely righteous that
lacks any element of corruption.  (In practice, anybody who expects only
good from the works of religous people and only bad from the works of
the nonreligious is in for some severe disillusionment).

Frank Silbermann	<fs@...>
Tulane University	New Orleans, Louisiana  USA


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