Volume 9 Number 50
                       Produced: Mon Oct 18 21:06:18 1993

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

A New Baby
         [Danny Nir]
Judah Landa
         [A M Goldstein]
Kashrus of Lofthouses Fisherman's Friends
         [Isaac Balbin]
Kashrut of "Classic Ovaltine"
         [Robert A. Book]
Keen to make contact with UK readers of JM
         [Mark Katz]
Kosher Cities Database
         [Steve Roth]
Shomer-Shabbos Residency in Internal Medicine at Einstein
         [Seth Ness]
Tahanun (3)
         [Ari Z. Zivotofsky, Steven Friedell, Mayer Danzige]


From: Danny Nir <danny@...>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 09:19:30 -0400
Subject: A New Baby

With praise and thanks to the almighty, we want to announce a miraculous
event.  On Thursday Evening a boy was born into our family.  He weighed
2.64 Kg. at birth, healthy and with a great set of lungs.  More details

|Danny Nir              \_\_  \_\_  \_\_\_\_\_          Meyad Computers|
|<danny@...>         \_    \_        \_              Moshav Ya'ad|
|Tel:972-4-909966                 \_        \_              D.N. Misgav|
|Fax:972-4-909965              \_\_\_        \_     Haifa, Israel 20155|

[Mazal Tov! Mod.]


From: A M Goldstein <MZIESOL@...>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 08:07:41 IST
Subject: Judah Landa

Does anyone know anything about a Judah Landa, who wrote a book called
Torah and Science, published by Ktav in 1991?  If so, would appreciate
an address where he can be contacted?


From: <isaac@...> (Isaac Balbin)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 22:13:03 -0400
Subject: Kashrus of Lofthouses Fisherman's Friends

These are cough lollies that are made in England and exported the world

Does anyone have any information about their kashrus?

Are there any "decent" (don't solve the medical condition but have a
nice `hot/cool' taste cough lollies that are reliably kosher?

Thanks in advance


From: <rbook@...> (Robert A. Book)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 12:53:15 -0400
Subject: Kashrut of "Classic Ovaltine"

Anthony Feinstein (<drwatson@...>) writes:
> 	A product on the shelves of my local supermarket recently got my
> attention due to a seemingly strange conflict on the label. A powdered
> chocolate milk mix known as "Classic Ovaltine" was marked with the usual
> Union of Orthodox Rabbis dairy symbol (circled U with a D to the bottom
> right) but contained both dairy whey as well the real culprit : "beef
> extract." This led to the following questions:

Perhaps yours has a misprint, but look more carefully just to be sure,
since the type-style on the ingredient list is quite small.  My jar of
Classic Ovaltine (Chocolate Malt flavor), says "beet extract" (with
"t" rather than an "f.")

--Robert Book

[The same point was also pointed out by: 
James Diamond <diamond@...> 
Barry Levinson <70571.1330@...>
David Griboff <TKISG02%<EZMAIL@...>
and Dan Goldish <GOLDISH@...> who adds:

My LOR (Rabbi Abraham Halbfinger, shlit"a, Va'ad Harabonim of
Massachusetts) noted the same mistake had occurred with a raspberry
flavored yoghurt which also contained beet extract, when the plastic
container had been smudged making the "t" look like "f".



From: Mark Katz <mark@...>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 00:28:45 -0400
Subject: Keen to make contact with UK readers of JM

We are moving BRIJNET onto phase 2 and I am keen to hear (either
directly on e-mail or by phone on 081 455 7132) from anyone in the UK
who is able to help with this exciting project.

BRIJNET is a UK-based Bulletin Board service in which a computer is used
to house and disseminate information of local UK/Jewish interest. Users
can dial into the service to extract information or exchange e-mail. The
information includes news, UK travellers information, communal
announcements, courses, useful tel numbers, shuls, mikvaoth, time of
davening, new Jewish records etc

Volunteers must be prepared to spent 1-2 hours/week helping to obtain
and organise information

BRIJNET is the UK arm of EJIN (European Jewish Information Network) and
cooperates closely with similar projects in other countries - including
nysernet and Jerusalem-1.  

Yitz Katz


From: <rot8@...> (Steve Roth)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 01:14:52 -0400
Subject: Kosher Cities Database

I've seen a number of messages about traveling to various cities in the
US and Canada and where to get kosher food and the like. I do a fair
amount of traveling and have this problem too. Yes, I know there is the
Jewish Travel Guide, but it is often outdated as restaurants may close,
new ones open up, etc. It's also useful to know hours places are open,
phone #'s and also where and when there are minyamin. Does anyone know
of an up-to-date list of this type (maybe even one available on line)?
If not, any interest in starting one, and would this mailing list be the
place to have it?

[There is a Kosher Cities Database on Nysernet, HOWEVER there does not
appear to be anyone who currently is taking care of it. If someone is
interested in doing that work, I would be glad to help arrange that
s/he/they would have access to modify the database files, advise in what
needs to be done and advertise here in mail-jewish to help get up to
date information. Looking forward to hear from some of you soon on this.

Steve Roth, M.D. Anesthesia & Critical Care Univ of Chicago
5841 South Maryland, MC-4028 Chicago, IL 60637
email: <rot8@...>
312-702-4549 (voice) 312-702-3535 (FAX) 312-702-6800 (page operator)


From: Seth Ness <ness@...>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 18:00:31 -0400
Subject: Shomer-Shabbos Residency in Internal Medicine at Einstein 

The weiler hospital of AECOM (in conjunction with jacobi hospital) is
currently considering opening up several spaces in its internal medicine
program for shomer shabbos applicants. there have been rumors every year
to this effect, but this time they seem truly committed. I'm a fourth
year einstein med student, and i'd like to know how many fourth year
students across the country would be interested in this program. we will
know in a few weeks whether or not the program directors will take the
plunge, and open up the spots.

There is still time to apply to this program. Do so, and if they decide
not to proceed, you will have lost nothing in applying. (and let me know
if you're interested.)

Please spread this information to any medical students you know who may be

Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham


From: <azz@...> (Ari Z. Zivotofsky)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 12:02:45 -0400
Subject: Tahanun

>The tradition of not saying Tahanun between Sukkoth and Rosh Hodesh is
>the same as not saying it after any holiday: Since it was permitted for
>an individual to bring offerings associated with the holiday for an
>additional week (after the end of the holiday), we do not say Tahanun
>during that week.

>This applies after Pesah and Shavuoth as well as after Sukkoth.

Sorry, this isn't the case, Sacrifices related to the festival must be
brought on the festival. The exception is Shavuot for which there was a
week make-up period, thus providing a week in total for Shavuot just
like Pesach and Sukkot. That is the reason not to say Tachanun after
Shavuot for one week. After Pesach the reason is that the majoroty of
the month did not have Tachanun (the beginning due to the Mishkans
dedication). Hence we don't say the rest of the month. The reason not to
say it after Sukkot is not clear to me.

From: Steven Friedell <friedell@...>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 21:56:07 EDT
Subject: Tahanun

After looking some more into the question of whether to say Tahanun this
week, after Sukkot and before Rosh Hodesh, I am more confused.  The
Shulhan Arukh says one doesn't say Tahanun through the end of Sukkot;
there is no contrary comment in the commentaries that I saw or in the
Mishnah Berurah.  The Arukh Ha-Shulhan says that the custom of not saying
Tahanun until after Rosh Hodesh is based on the idea that since Tahanun
was not said most of the month of Tishri (so far) one doesn't say it the
rest of the month--and he adds that this custom is wrong.  Yet the
Mahzor Vitri says not to say Tahanun until after Rosh Hodesh.  Can
someone sort this out?

Steven F. Friedell                                     (609) 225-6366
Professor of Law                                   Fax (609) 225-6516  
Rutgers School of Law                  e-mail  <friedell@...>
Camden, NJ 08102

From: diverdan!<mayer@...> (Mayer Danzige)
Date: 15 Oct 93 17:49:29 GMT
Subject: Tahanun

This reason (ability to bring make-up holiday offerings for an
additional week) applies only to Shavuoth. The Magen Avraham in Shulchan
Aruch Orach Chaim 131 brings this minhag and quotes this reason. Many
people do say Tachanun after Shavuoth except for Isru Chag.

The reason we don't say Tachanun after Pesach is entirely different and
is universally accepted. The majority of days in the month of Nissan are
festive days. Since most of the month we dont say Tachanun, we finish
the month accordingly. The first 12 days of Nissan -the Nessim brought
thier offerings during the Chanukat HaMishkan- and Erev Pesach thru
Pesach constitute the majority of the month. (S.A. O.C. 131.7)

The Sharie Teshuva in S.A. O.C. 131.19 brings the minhag of not saying Tahanun
after Succoth and quotes 2 different reasons from 2 different sources:
1) Shiyurei Knesseth HaGedolah - The majority of the month is holidays and 
we finish out the month accordingly (same as Nissan).
2) Seder Hayom - The month of Tishre begins on a very serious and somber note,
it is fitting that it should end on a festive note.
The Sharie Teshuva continues "the minhag in these lands is to say Tachanun but
we don't  object to those that do not". The Aruch HaShulchan (S.A. O.C. 131) 
brings the minhag of not saying Tachanun but disagrees with it. All agree, we
don't say Tachanun on Isru Chag.

Mayer Danziger


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