Volume 12 Number 24
                       Produced: Wed Mar 23 18:52:15 1994

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

Amounts of food requiring after-blessings
         [Aleeza Esther Berger]
Are we Nymrods?
         [Michael Lipkin]
Baby showers
         [Marc Eichen)]
Ketubah, written vs. read aloud
         [Mike Gerver]
Kiddush Before Musaf
         [Moshe Shamah]
Maple Syrup
         [Lazar Kleit]
One-year programs and Michlalah
         [Aliza Jacobson Klein]
Question: Chatas and Blood
         [Chaim Schild]
Rav Moshe Cohn, zt"l
         [Mike Gerver]
Schindler's List
         [saul djanogly]
Substance Abuse and Jewish Law
         [Leonard Oppenheimer +1 908 615 5071]
Whilst on the subject of Ketubot...
         [Benjamin Rietti]


From: Aleeza Esther Berger <aeb21@...>
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:37:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Amounts of food requiring after-blessings

>>or (2) the make Hamotzi at the usual time on egg matzah.  Now what is
>>the reason for not doing the latter?  One reason I heard is that there
>>is a question as to whether it is permissible to make Hamotzi on egg

Danny Skaist writes:
>You MUST make hamotzi on egg matzah if you kovea seudah [base a meal ?] on
>it.  This normally means 6 eggs worth if eaten alone, or 4 eggs worth if the
>meal contains other foods.  The "Shabat meal" is kovea by itself and does
>not require such large ammounts.

Is really that much required to "base a meal" on such foods?  I thought
it was 1 egg worth, or 2?  A related general question which came up in a
Chinese restaurant, the question being whether to recite bore nefashot
[recited after eating non-grain meals, basically...] after the meal or
al ha-michya [recited after eating below a certain quantity of grain
baked products] -- or perhaps even the entire Grace after Meals [recited
after eating bread or a larger quantity of other baked grain stuff]
should have been said.  If e.g. "1 egg's worth" must be eaten to require
al ha-michya, that means 1 egg's worth of what? What if you eat 1
Chinese noodle and a ton of veggies? I suspect the reason I'm not sure
about this is that there's more than 1 opinion...Sources? Is there a
chart for this somewhere?  Sorry to mention Chinese noodles right before
Pesach.  It's just a popular case.

Aliza Berger


From: <msl@...> (Michael Lipkin)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:23:38 -0500
Subject: Are we Nymrods?

IMHO I thought the MJ audience would appreciate the following definition
which appeared in a special info technology section of the WSJ on
3/21/94 (Especially those of us from HP/Edison where we call our shuls
AA, OE, and OT and our yeshivas RPRY and RJJ).

NYM-ROD: Refers to a person or group that insists on turning everything
         into an acronym.



From: <sresnick@...> (Susan Resnick (Marc Eichen))
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 13:38:28 EST
Subject: Baby showers

My sister-in-law is pregnant with her first child.  I am wondering what the 
chasidic rule of thumb on baby showers is as I'd like to give her the 
opportunity to receive gifts that she otherwise could not afford.

Susan Resnick


From: Mike Gerver <gerver@...>
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 1:38:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ketubah, written vs. read aloud

Regarding the comments in v12n12 by Binyamin Rudman and Aryeh Frimer,
in the story that I told, I only know that when the ketubah was read aloud,
the bride's father's name was used. I don't think I ever went back and
looked at the written ketubah, so it is possible that it was "bat Avraham
Avinu" there. On the other hand, the rabbi did tell me, when I asked, that
in his opinion it was OK for a convert to use any patronymic.

Mike Gerver, <gerver@...>


From: <MSHAMAH@...> (Moshe Shamah)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 23:35:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Kiddush Before Musaf

Joey Mosseri v. 12 #14 mentioned several poskim through the centuries
who held that "a little something" between shahrit & musaf is OK without
kiddush as it is not yet time for kiddush.  He informs us that Rabbi
Obadiah Yosef in Yabia Omer (v. 5 OH 22:2) discusses the topic & cites
two additional poskim of this opinion.  Joey omitted to say that Rabbi
Yosef cites many poskim that kiddush "is" required before snacking after
shahrit before musaf, that it is the interpretation of Shulhan Aruch
according to the most widely accepted authorities and that it is also
Rabbi Obadiah Yosef's own p'sak.


From: Lazar Kleit <74032.3003@...>
Date: 20 Mar 94 20:30:07 EST
Subject: Maple Syrup

Is maple syrup, which is otherwise kosher, OK for Pesach.  Thank you for
any advice you might have.

Lazar Kleit


From: Aliza Jacobson Klein <jacobson@...>
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:56:14 -0500
Subject: One-year programs and Michlalah

I was in Michlalah for the year and although it may be true that overall
the school is a-zionistic and doesn't got out of it's way to say anything
positive about Medinat Yisrael - many teachers (especially those in the
MaCHal program stress both Mediant Yisrael and Eretz Yisrael.  There
really is a wide spectrum of views represented by the teachers (though
not necessarily the adiministration).  I remember on Yom HaAtzmaut, Rav
Pollack (head of the MaChaL ptogram), arranged for a bus to a local Beit
Knesset that had a t'fillah chaggigit (a la Rinat Yisrael) at night.
True I was a bit surprised myself... but it happened.  We also had a
Seudah Chaggigit (also that surprised me) following davening at night.

  Of course - Rav Copperman gave us a long drasha entitled "Mah Bein Yom
HaAtzmaut V'Hey Iyar" and said that the next year in Michlalah the seudah
will be on the eve of 5th of Iyar (a Friday) and not Yom HaAtzmaut - a
Thursday that year or something like that.


From: SCHILD%<GAIA@...> (Chaim Schild)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 12:01:36 -0500
Subject: Question: Chatas and Blood

In this week's (Tzav) parasha is the law that if under certain
conditions the blood of a chatas offering gets on a garment (and also
earthernware and copper vessels), it must be washed off in a holy place.
The Mishna in Zevachim (Chap 11?) details the conditions. My question:
Why ?? That is, why is the chatas offering singled out from all the
other offerings to have this special halacha ???Has anyone seen any
reasons as to why the Torah says so ??



From: Mike Gerver <GERVER@...>
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 2:26:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Rav Moshe Cohn, zt"l

Rabbi Moshe Cohn, principal emeritus of Maimonides School, was nifter on
Shabbat Vayikra. This remarkable man was a brilliant scholar, both in
limudei kodesh and secular knowledge, an inspiring teacher, a talented
and hardworking administrator, and a person of great physical courage.
During the nearly forty years that he was associated with Maimonides, as
a teacher and then as principal, he, together with Rav Soloveichik, was
responsible for making the school what it is today, with its ideal of
torah umada'ah.  But even if you consider only what he did before coming
to Maimonides, or only what he did after leaving Maimonides, he would
have accomplished far more in his life than almost anyone else. Although
he did not like to talk about it, he played a major role, as a student
at Mir Yeshiva during the war, in rescuing the Yeshiva from the
advancing Germans, fleeing across Siberia to Japan, and then to the
United States. After retiring from Maimonides, he served as a chaplain
at Norfolk State Prison, where, according to one of the hespedim, he
inspired at least one prisoner, convicted of a violent crime, to do
teshuvah and lead a productive life after his release. His sharp sense
of humor and warm smile are fondly remembered by hundreds of former
Maimonides students. I had the great privilege, and great pleasure, to
sit next to him in shul, at the Bostoner Rebbe's, on the infrequent
occasions when I went to the early minyan, as I briefly mentioned in a
recent posting (v12n2), and was able to get a small taste of his vast
knowledge and his sense of humor.

Three beautiful hespedim were given at his levaya Sunday morning, by the
present principal of Maimonides, Rabbi Dovid Shapiro, and by Rabbi
Cohn's sons Yakov and Reuven. Rather than try to summarize them from
memory, which would not do them justice, I will try, b"n, to obtain
texts of them to post here. They should be of interest not just to the
Maimonides graduates who subscribe to this list, but to the general
readership, because of Rabbi Cohn's remarkable life. (If anyone else was
thinking of doing this, please let me know so we can avoid duplication
of effort.)

I wish everyone on the list a chag kasher vesameach [happy and kosher

Mike Gerver, <gerver@...>


From: <saul@...> (saul djanogly)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:56:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Schindler's List

If a list of those to be saved ,as in Schindler's list,is to be drawn
up, it is permitted to do all one can to get on the list,even if as an
inevitable consequence another Jew will die for failing to get on the
list.  See Shach Choshen Mishpat 163 Note 18 who proves this from
Yevamot 79a.

saul djanogly


From: <leo@...> (Leonard Oppenheimer +1 908 615 5071)
Date: 21 Mar 94 15:05:00 GMT
Subject: Substance Abuse and Jewish Law

Now that Purim is safely behind us, I would like to ask the help of M-J
readership for help in this area. 

I am a law student, and I am currently taking a course with Judge Jack B.
Weinstein of the S.D.N.Y. Federal Court.  Judge Weinstein has gotten some 
press recently for opposing Federal sentencing guidelines on drug-related
crimes as being too rigid and harsh.  He is trying to develop his judicial
philosophy on alternatives to incarceration.  As he is very widely respected,
this research is quite important.

Being a proud Jew, he would like some input on the Jewish Theological/
Philosophical attitudes that have come down through the ages on this issue.
I have done some research, gotten some journals from ASSIA and some 
material from JACS, in my initial efforts to put together a paper.

If anyone could provide me with any other sources I would be most 

Thank You,

Lenny Oppenheimer


From: <sales@...> (Benjamin Rietti)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 13:04:30 GMT
Subject: Whilst on the subject of Ketubot...

I currently have a very interesting shaaloh on my wife's Ketubah...

The wording was all hand-written on parchment in ink, except for the
names of my wife and I and our respective parents, which for decorative
value were entered using gold LETRASET.

The problem is, that having since opened the ketubah (it has been
kept rolled up till now - 2.5 years since we got married), the letraset
letters have all cracked and fallen off, hence leaving the ketubah
basically anonymous.  (Well not 100%, because my name has been repeated
later on in the script by pen, but there is no longer any mention of 
who I am married to!)

The shaaloh is currently being investigated, but I was wondering if any
MJ'ers out there may have had, or heard, similar experiences.

Also, from a halachic point of view, even if the letraset letters had NOT
fallen off, would the Ketubah still be kosher seeing that letraset is NOT
a Davar Kayama (something permanent, such as ink)????

                           Benjamin Rietti

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