Volume 9 Number 73
                       Produced: Thu Oct 28 12:44:13 1993

Subjects Discussed In This Issue: 

B & B in New Castle or Gateshead
         [David Ben-Chaim]
Be Fruitful and Noachide laws
         [Art Kamlet]
Drunk on Simchat Torah?
         [Josh Klein]
         [Steven Friedell]
         [Yosef Bechhofer]
Israel court cases
         [Steven Friedell]
Kashrus of M & M's and TastyCakes
         [Marc Meisler]
Kosher in Cherry Hill, NJ
         [Nadine Bonner]
         [Ron Katz]
         [Elise Braverman]
         [Benjamin Svetitsky]
Pronounciation of Hebrew
         [Meylekh Viswanath]
Samkhem Bevinyan Shalem
         [Michael Kramer]
Shema, 248 and Body Parts
         [Michael DuBrow]
         [Seth Ness]


From: David Ben-Chaim <DAVIDBC@...>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 11:08:05 +0200 (EET)
Subject: B & B in New Castle or Gateshead

   Do any of our English (British or U.K. - don't want to hurt anyone's
feelings) know of a bed & breakfast (needless to say Kosher) in either
New Castle or Gateshead ? Perferably modern orthodox Klomar not Haredi.
   You can answer me directly at the following address, and thanking you 

 David Ben-Chaim, Coordinator, Computerized Service
 Elyachar Central Library, The Technion, Haifa, Israel 32000.   |
 Tel: 972-4-292503 or 292502          |
 email: <davidbc@...> -  fax: 972-4-233501


From: <ask@...> (Art Kamlet)
Date: 26 Oct 1993  18:18 EDT
Subject: Be Fruitful and Noachide laws

Does anyone have a citation or an insight to explain why Be Frutiful and
Multiply is Not one of the 7 Noachide laws, when G-d specifically gave
that commandment to Noah?

Art Kamlet   AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus   <ask@...>


From: Josh Klein <VTFRST@...>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 08:49 N
Subject: Drunk on Simchat Torah?

For years I was very careful to have a shot of whiskey after getting my
aliya on Simchat Torah, so that I would be 'exempt' from duchening
during mussaf (which would probably shorten davening by a whole 5
minutes...). This year on SImchat Tora I was in a moshav where the
cohanim come from both edot hamizrach and from ashkenaz. After
shacharit, we made kiddush (on wine). When I asked (just to be sure) if
we were duchening for mussaf, I received the reply, "What's the matter,
ashkenazim are so weak that they get drunk on kiddush wine? We sefardim
are duchening!"

Josh Klein VTFRST@Volcani


From: Steven Friedell <friedell@...>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 21:45:10 EDT
Subject: Hagar

It could be that Hagar was the ancestor of the Hagrites mentioned in Ps.
83:7 and in 1 Chron. 5:10 et seq.  They were a clan who were enemies of


From: <YOSEF_BECHHOFER@...> (Yosef Bechhofer)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 04:08:36 -0400
Subject: Havara

Rabbi Broyde recently remarked that prayer may be fulfilled in any
language or dialect. This is true, with some exception, i.e., we do not
know the right translations for many words, but in Hebrew itself the
Halacha is quite explicit - if one reads the prayers in an incorrect
form of pronunciation, one has only fulfilled the mitzva (Kri'as Shema,
d'orysa; The rest of Tefilla, d'rabbanan) b'di'avad (a lower level of


From: Steven Friedell <friedell@...>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 21:46:37 EDT
Subject: Israel court cases

I have heard that the decisions of the Israel Supreme Court are
available on CD-Rom. Does any one know how one goes about obtaining

Thanks, Steve Friedell


From: Marc Meisler <mmeisler@...>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 22:30:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Kashrus of M & M's and TastyCakes

Does anyone know whose hashgacha M & M's are supposedly going to be
under?  Also, was there ever a resolution of who exactly is responsible
for the KOA found in the map of the US?  I have seen it on TastyCakes
and am wondering what the reliability of it is.  Our LOR knows nothing
about it.

Marc Meisler


From: <n.bonner@...> (Nadine Bonner)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 04:08:38 -0400
Subject: Kosher in Cherry Hill, NJ

There is a very nice place in Cherry Hill called, I believe, David's
Table.  It is a meat restaurant featuring mainly Israeli style dishes.
I went there as my cousin's guest, so I'm not sure of the address.  But
you could call the Sons of Israel Synagogue, 609-667-9700, and I'm
certain someone could give you more details.
 Nadine Bonner


From: <katz@...> (Ron Katz)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 08:57:28 -0400
Subject: Re:  Mis-pronounciations

To add to Rabbi Frimer's list of common mis-pronounciations:

In the service for returning the Sefer Torah, the correct line is
"Hodo Al Eretz VeShamayim"  NOT "Hodoo Al Eretz Veshamayim".

"Hodo" means 'His majesty'. The other pronounciation would mean 'thank
on earth and heaven'.


From: <elbraverman@...> (Elise Braverman)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 11:55:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Nestle

As long as we are on the subject of the Kashrut of various products, I
wondered if anyone knows about Nestle's hechser, specifically their hot
cocoa and "diet" cocoa (without sugar).



From: Benjamin Svetitsky <bqs@...>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 20:54:19 -0400
Subject: Pleiades

In Rosh Hashana 11b the Gemara states that the Flood was begun when two
stars were removed from the Pleiades to make a hole in the Rakia' (the
Primum Mobile) through which the waters could descend.  I seem to recall
that the Pleiades are associated elsewhere (in the Gemara or the
Midrash; or maybe in Job) with water.  Does anybody know where and how?

Incidentally, that Gemara appears to contain a veiled reference to the
precession of the equinoxes.  Has anybody seen this written up anywhere?
If I figure out the details, I'll send in a note.

Ben Svetitsky     <bqs@...>      (temporarily in galut)


From: <VISWANATH@...> (Meylekh Viswanath)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 19:38:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronounciation of Hebrew

Aryeh Frimer writes:
>Lon Eisenberg has brought to my attention that the smichut of
>"Shalom" is "Shlom"; hence, the Friday nite get-together before a Brit
>should be called a "Shlom Zakhar"  (peace of/for the male) and not
>"Shalom Zachar". Similary it should be "Shlom Bayit" and not "Shalom
> Bayit".

Look what happens when people try to give up hypercorrect their perfectly
good Yiddish terms for jewish concepts: shlem zokher and sholem bayis
become shalOm zachAr and shalOm bayit (capital O indicating stress), which
is wrong in Hebrew, as Frimer/Eisenberg point out. :-)



From: <mpkramer@...> (Michael Kramer)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 12:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Samkhem Bevinyan Shalem

Does anyone know the source for the lyric "Samkhem bevinyan shalem"?  I
know there's something similar to it in Yom Kippur davening, but is
there an exact source?  I checked through Tanakh and Shas via CD-Rom and
came up blank.

Michael P. Kramer                          WORDS TO LIVE BY:   
Department of English                      "Ben Heh Heh omer:  
University of California, Davis            Lefum tzaara agra."  
Davis, CA 95616                                   --Avot 5:27


From: <SMDUBRO@...> (Michael DuBrow)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 10:40:17 -0400
Subject: Shema, 248 and Body Parts

In reply to Norman Silvestein

The 248 words of the Shema do parallel the 248 "organs" of the body.
This parallel is also reflected ihe 248 positive mitzvot.  The 365
negative mitzvot parallel the 365 "veins" of the body.

All of this is discussed at legnth in Tanya, the Chassidic tract written
by the Alter REbbe of Lubavitch and based upon an extensive Gemorrah.

Michael DuBrow


From: Seth Ness <ness@...>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 04:08:32 -0400
Subject: Wine

isaac balbin wrote...
    I think that one should not have a Reviis and then daven Shmoneh
    Esreh---probably a similar stricture applies to Bircas Kohanim. Now,
    I know that the wine of old was stronger, but I add that many use
    whiskey and the like.

i'd just like to remind everyone, that as we discussed a while ago (i
don't remember when) the wine of old was NOT stronger. It just had more
impurities and thus people couldn't drink as much.

Seth L. Ness                         Ness Gadol Hayah Sham


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